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    Expobar minore IV or Giove

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    Hi all,

    Ive got the approval from the Missy for upgrading to a dual boiler machine. The budget will be $3000. So Im thinking either the expobar minore IV OR the Giove II. Any though? :)

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Whats the reason for the upgraditis - how does the SM CKX now not meet expectations?

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Quote Originally Posted by 484E5C52574E553B0 link=1320881590/0#0 date=1320881590
    Hi all,

    Ive got the approval from the Missy for upgrading to a dual boiler machine. The budget will be $3000. So Im thinking either the expobar minore IV OR the Giove II. Any thoughts? :)

    Tony.
    Hi Tony,

    Given real difference in price, my vote would go to the Giove- on versatility, build quality and finish. You may also want to short-list the Diadema Junior Extra PID Dual boiler. Mal will wax lyrical about how much he likes his! ;)

    We have just put one on the bench this morning with a view to adding it to range.

    Drop me a line if youd like to come for a play ;)

    Cheers

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Im also looking to upgrade from my rancilio and because of this post I had a look at both of these machines.
    How does the Giove perform with only 2 x 650watt elements compared to the Minore 2 x 2000watt, the heat up and recover times have to be longer?

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Quote Originally Posted by 2A373A3A323B2C6C5E0 link=1320881590/3#3 date=1320883828
    Im also looking to upgrade from my rancilio and because of this post I had a look at both of these machines.*
    How does the Giove perform with only 2 x 650watt elements compared to the Minore 2 x 2000watt, the heat up and recover times have to be longer?
    Its 2600W according to the box. I am anticipating 2 x 1300W which draw 50% power in energy save mode or perhaps 1000/1600W. I will check and post later in this thread but am pretty certain the specs. have been incorrectly posted.

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Quote Originally Posted by 5D6B647E586B6469636663653B3A0A0 link=1320881590/1#1 date=1320882940
    Whats the reason for the upgraditis - how does the SM CKX now not meet expectations?
    There isnt anything wrong with the CKX. It is the missy who isnt happy with the size of it and the steam arm is on the right which brow steam onto the floor easily ( we have the CKX at the open coner of the kitten bench). Plus I want more consistancy of my espresso thats y I want to upgrade to a dual boiler machine.

    Having said that, is the pipping smaller (lumen size) in the expobar and giove than the CKX?

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Further to my earlier post, Rick Bond has confirmed 2 x 650W elements in the brew boiler and a 1300W steam element. Only one brew element operates in low energy mode and the machine prioritises the brew boiler (like the Duetto), alternating between boilers as required.

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    How about the Giove II?

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C6A7876736A711F0 link=1320881590/7#7 date=1320897049
    How about the Giove II?
    Thats what I was assuming- the HX version has a single 1300W element ;)

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    So u
    Quote Originally Posted by 015E46505B505C555556565E525D330 link=1320881590/8#8 date=1320897761
    Quote Originally Posted by 6C6A7876736A711F0 link=1320881590/7#7 date=1320897049
    How about the Giove II?
    Thats what I was assuming- the HX version has a single 1300W element ;)
    So u reckon 1300w element for the steam boiler and 680w element for the brewing boiler ?

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    hmmm was cjn advice not clear? I think he was always focussed on the Giove double boiler as per your opening post

    Quote Originally Posted by 207F67717A717D747477777F737C120 link=1320881590/6#6 date=1320893994
    has confirmed 2 x 650W elements in the brew boiler .... Only one brew element operates in low energy mode and the machine prioritises the brew boiler (like the Duetto), alternating between boilers as required.

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Here you go Tony, check this out!

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1305962450

    Rgdz,
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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Quote Originally Posted by 66505F4563505F52585D585E0001310 link=1320881590/10#10 date=1320907735
    hmmm was cjn advice not clear? I think he was always focussed on the Giove double boiler as per your opening post

    Quote Originally Posted by 207F67717A717D747477777F737C120 link=1320881590/6#6 date=1320893994
    has confirmed 2 x 650W elements in the brew boiler .... Only one brew element operates in low energy mode and the machine prioritises the brew boiler (like the Duetto), alternating between boilers as required.
    Sorry I though he was talking about the expobar :)

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Clarification received from 9Bar Espresso



    Thanks for your email. Sorry it took me a while to reply, our system has frustratingly been down!

    You (and fellow snobber) are absolutely correct, there has been an error on the brochure. There are in fact 2 elements total in the machine (one in brew, one in steam), both 1300 watt independently. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for clearing that up.

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Just goes to show that I should have trusted my instinct! ;D

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Quote Originally Posted by 734750465D6A765A53535050350 link=1320881590/11#11 date=1320908908
    Here you go Tony, check this out!

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1305962450

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    Still stand by that mini-review Attilio - Probably even more so now, since I have a few more months of experience, fine-tuning and appreciation under the belt. 8-)

    Just a beautiful machine, in every important respect.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Thank you everyone for the input. I think I may book in for a bench test in the next dew week and see how they go :)

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Also it is good tO know there are two 1300W boilers in the Giove II :)

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Please let us know how you go with the bench test, Im getting ready to sell my current setup and am really interested in the Giove II

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Too late for the bench test review, I ordered mine today!!

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Nice work tiddler 8-)

    We added both the Giove and the Strega to our website today as well. Both very worthy candidates.

    Hope you enjoy it!

    Chris

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    The new toy arrived today, Giove II and a Compak K3 Push.* (the second Giove II after the first one arrived damaged - thanks to the couriers!!)

    Superb after sales service from one of the site sponsor companies - 9Bar Espresso, they organised a replacement the same day and it arrived the day after.

    It really is well worth buying from our site sponsors, they really do provide amazing support and help when we need it.

    Watched the Scottie Callaghan How to videos and got a good shot on the second attempt,* unlike Scottie, if it looks good, I drink it, I dont bin it.* Ill have to wait until my blood pressure drops before I carry on dialling in the grinder - should I having ringing in the ears after that much coffee?

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    Re: Expobar minore IV or Giove

    Tiddler,

    Would love to hear how the unit performs as it is high on my list.

    Cheers

    Jonty



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