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    Super Automatics Vs Tradional

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    Hi all, just thought I would open a can of worms and put the question forward.

    The point is they say that good coffee is 1/3 Bean, 1/3 Machine and 1/3 operator. So following that logic once we have set up the super automatic correctly we should get a consistantly good cup every time.

    I have had MANY bad coffees from poor operators with good machines and good coffee. But my superauto makes a great cup and I just press the button and let it go. ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee_guy link=1175296161/0#0 date=1175296161
    But my superauto makes a great cup and I just press the button and let it go. ;D
    Welcome to CS Coffee_guy! What gear do you have ?

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    Re: Super Automatics Vs Tradional

    Have a Jura - the coffee I would rather drink, could of saved a quid and got a Saeco, but figured that over the time I have the machine each cup only costs a few cents more per cup and I get a whole lot more enjoyment and a far better cuppa.

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    Re: Super Automatics Vs Tradional

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    Hi and welcome to CoffeSnobs.

    Most Super Autos cant / wont make a decent coffee.... the main exception being the Jura..... This (and there is now even a La Cimbali super auto) and a few other very expensive machines will make a really good coffee - not the legendary "God shots" which we aim for - but a damn good coffee.

    The Saeco isnt one which is IMHO a capable superauto- good thing you didnt save some pennies!!

    If you enjoy a "no fuss" coffee - then the Jura is the machine for you. (You still need to ensure the beans are fresh and the grind needs to be adjusted as the beans age for best results - but thats it.)

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    Re: Super Automatics Vs Tradional

    I have had good coffee from a small range of superautos - good representing, better than coffee prepared for me in some cafes. However, Ive never had a great coffee from a superauto - I guess those high expectationa are why I am a coffee snob.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grendel link=1175296161/0#4 date=1175298627
    I have had good coffee from a small range of superautos - good representing, better than coffee prepared for me in some cafes. However, Ive never had a great coffee from a superauto - I guess those high expectationa are why I am a coffee snob.
    I think we become either sensitised or de-sensitised Grendel. I used to really enjoy the coffee from my local cafe. Now I think its ordinary. Even at home, its nice to have the variety of coffees we have available to us - thanks to this site. Sometimes a change IS as good as a holiday!

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    Found the new screen being used in the Jura brew units has further improved the coffee from the Jura machines, found the coffee from some of the older units good for a superauto but in December 2006 they released a new screen with twice as many and much finer holes has improved the extraction greatly and should go someway toward stopping the blocking issues you can have from using preground coffee that is too fine a grind , I know its supposed to available as a retro fit to older brew units but not sure if the importer is bringing them in as a spare at the moment for retro fitting.

    I recommend that you try a 2007 manufacture Jura and you may find the coffee even better.


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    The word is that there is a new generation of commercial superautos capable of making espresso of the highest standard if set up properly. The Azkoyen Xpression was one that was mentioned, but many companies like La Cimbali see this as the area to work on, as it will mean greater sales in the end. I see the logic, because if you can get a machine that takes out the barista, then even McD might one day serve decent coffee (given decent beans).


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    I think some of the reason the supers get such a bad name is people take them out of the box and plug them in using the default settings, much like a tradional thay need to be dialed in for instance I think the default setting on the Jura for a Espresso was 60ml of water, which given the default factory setting for coffee would be way way over extracted.

    Also beans that work well in tradionals dont always give good results in the supers due to the courser grind.

    I know the specialists distributers get their coffees blended specifically for the machine.

    What works well in one machine will not always work well in all machines

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    Re: Super Automatics Vs Tradional

    okay... *just to add my second crack.. :P

    Just bought a Jura Impressa X90 (cheers wayne@gilkatho)... now, I have to say that Lachlan all but slapped me into the middle of next century for using Lavazza beans off the shelf at Coles, but at 10:30pm, where the hell else am I gonna get beans. *Lesser of all the evils ... but I digress...

    I love my Jura, and I have to say, for what amounts to the "point n shoot" of espresso machines, its pretty damned good! *yes, it needed a little fine tuning, ie 30 mls per shot, a reasonable dose of grinds, at the correct grind, but thats no different to a manual. *

    All in all, Im damned happy that I can fall outta bed, crawl to the machine, hit a button, and 40 seconds later have a shot of caffeinated goodness prying my eyelids open.

    On the Saeco vs. Jura topic: **gag* *Saeco made watches. *They should have stuck to that! * The saeco machines are noisey, break down continually, over-extract the coffee. *Theyre fine in a small office of "Kath & Kim" types who believe Gloria Jeans is the epitomy of cafe "culture".

    On the other hand, I could just be incredibly biased. :P



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