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    Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

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    Hi all,

    i need advice. Perhaps the comparation is apples to oranges, but im not sure. I can buy Splendor Unico for 1000€ (2070AUD) and La Spaziale S1 Vivaldi II for 1400€ (2900AUD). Do you think that S1 really worth the difference?

    Thanks to all. *;)

    (sorry for my english, its not my native language)

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    Hi Oton,

    your English is much better than my Spanish ;) Have a read of this current thread http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1223394242 I am in a similar situation at present and was looking at the differences or benifits between Double Boilers (La Spaz) compared with Hx types (Splendor, Giotto etc.)

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Quote Originally Posted by WotB link=1223757405/0#1 date=1223770714
    *If youre making coffees at home, and just want something that looks schmick on the bench, the splendor is the goods.
    ahm... You mean that Splendor is only useful to look cool? :-/


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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    hi oton.
    what nunu said. theyre two dirrent types of machine (and a different class i would say - and this is reflected in their prices).

    the la spaziale is a commercial machine built ot high standards.
    the unico is a prosumer machine built to (slightly less) high standards.

    the la spaziale should last you longer and be more reliable than the unico.
    if you have the money, and are happy to spend it, then id say its worth going to the la spaziale.
    if youd rather buy a better or new grinder, then maybe get the unico and a nice grinder to get the most out of your coffee.

    let us know what you decide and send in some pics too!

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Quote Originally Posted by oton link=1223757405/0#0 date=1223757405
    Hi all,

    i need advice. Perhaps the comparation is apples to oranges, but im not sure. I can buy Splendor Unico for 1000€ (2070AUD) and La Spaziale S1 Vivaldi II for 1400€ (2900AUD). Do you think that S1 really worth the difference?

    Thanks to all. *;)

    (sorry for my english, its not my native language)
    Hi and Welcome oton

    Is your future machine for home or cafe use (you are a barista in training)
    The question is how many cups of coffee you will make per day
    If it is 10-15 + then-
    In reality the La Spaziale S1 Vivaldi II is a better machine but it will be overkill if you don’t use it to its full potential
    The one good thing about the La Spaziale even older ones is they can be upgraded with new circuit boards and software to make them the new version.

    If you want to future proof yourself and can see more coffee machine use in the future then the La Spaziale might be the way to go

    If you start with one of the best machines now you will save money later
    This will also save you from the upgrade bug

    Hope my answer helps

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Not to be rude, but have any of the posters in this thread actually used the machines that they are giving advice about? Or are the comments just based on regurgitated accepted wisdom and generalisations?

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1223757405/0#6 date=1223791061
    Not to be rude, but have any of the posters in this thread actually used the machines that they are giving advice about? *Or are the comments just based on regurgitated accepted wisdom and generalisations?

    Luca, Im loving your refreshing scepticism and honesty lately

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer Roaster link=1223757405/0#7 date=1223794246
    Luca, Im loving your refreshing scepticism and honesty lately
    Me too..... Good on you Luca 8-)

    Hi oton, and welcome to CoffeeSnobs mate...

    The best advice I could give you is to contact one or more of our Site Sponsors (all the links are on the L/H side of the page) and present your coffee requirements to them. Better yet, if you know of some reputable specialist retailers closer to home, then I would contact them or even better, visit them and see if you can grab a hands on demonstration..... Nothing like first hand experience under the watchful eye of an experienced professional to help you.

    Cheers mate and all the best with your hunt for a machine, :)

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1223757405/0#6 date=1223791061
    Not to be rude, but have any of the posters in this thread actually used the machines that they are giving advice about? *Or are the comments just based on regurgitated accepted wisdom and generalisations?
    um, my comments were largely regurgitating accepted wisdom from he who has some - chris at talk coffee.

    and secondly, Luca if you were offered one of the two machines above, which would you opt for? *;)

    not to be rude either *:-*

    aaron

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    I try not to regurgitate accepted wisdom and generalisations but when I do offer an opinion on a machine Ive had no experience on, its after enough research for me to feel comfortable that Im not passing on bad information.

    I think most CSs are only trying to help.

    If the OP always had to wait for an answer from someone with hands on experience of both machines being compared, hell might freeze over in the interim.

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    I have used them both,

    One is a very good prosumer machine. The other is a one group dual boiler rotary pump commercial machine which needs to be plumbed in. One looks terrific, the other is naturally more industrial. Both are capable of producing an outstanding cup.

    Rather than go into comparisons of HX v dual boiler (because we really need yet another ::)), perhaps you would be better to spend some time in serious consideration of what your needs are and what you really want :-?

    For mine, a discussion of merits of presso v GS3 would be almost as easy and just as useful...

    Good shopping luck!

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1223757405/0#9 date=1223809271
    If the OP always had to wait for an answer from someone with hands on experience of both machines being compared, hell might freeze over in the interim.
    It seems like you are trying to say that passing on questionable information is preferable to passing on no information at all.

    I certainly agree that everyone has the best intentions and Im not saying that people shouldnt post; merely that they should disclose the basis upon which they have come to a conclusion so that the OP can make their own assessment.

    There are two problems with "accepted wisdom" posts. The first is that "accepted wisdom" is often total baloney. Recall, for example, that only a few years ago, everyone "knew" that you have to rap your PF with your tamper multiple times; now everyone "knows" that doing that is likely to fracture your puck and cause channelling. The second is that forum readers seem to take the number of times that something is repeated as a measure of the reliability of the information - makes sense, given that they have little information about the poster to go on.

    If people dont disclose the basis upon which they make their posts, both the OP and other posters are left in the dark. The OP has no way of working out which sources of information are more reliable. Other posters have no way of knowing whether or not the "accepted wisdom" has already been regurgitated, so they post it up as well and exacerbate the problem.

    Any forum would become much more reliable if there were a rule that posters must disclose the basis upon which they drew their conclusions, save in the case that it is obvious.

    and secondly, Luca if you were offered one of the two machines above, which would you opt for? Wink

    not to be rude either kiss
    If I were offered one of the two machines, I would take the Spaziale because (a) I could re-sell it for more and (b) the machine that I currently have is relatively similar to the Unico and Id take the opportunity of a free machine to try something new and different. Of course, that gives you no information as to which machine anyone else would want to purchase ;P

    Im trying to avoid posting things about specific machines, purely because the second that I imply that one machine is inferior to another I usually get a whole bunch of irate complaints. Why on earth anyone cares what I post is totally beyond me.

    The one thing that I would observe on the subject is that if you were shopping for one of the two machines and got a chance to use them, it would make sense to include a halfway house machine between the two, such as the expobar brewtus.

    For mine, a discussion of merits of presso v GS3 would be almost as easy and just as useful...
    Yeaah! Lets do that!

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    luca - you humility is admirable.
    if your opinions didnt count, trust me - thered be no irate complaints coming your way.

    i think that other coffee forums suffer more from the inevitable fate of which you speak.

    typically something resembling - my machine rocks. great steam and consistently great microfoam in no time at all - krups novo....

    actually, reading about the minores steaming abilities was what got me hooked initially. but then yeeza mentioned that he was blown away by a prosumer HX. So i totally understand your points of view regarding passing on info that isnt first hand.

    and i simultaneously understand TGs points of view too.

    some gently worded scepticism once in a while may help to keep things on track. can we appoint you luca?

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1223757405/0#11 date=1223863945
    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1223757405/0#9 date=1223809271
    If the OP always had to wait for an answer from someone with hands on experience of both machines being compared, hell might freeze over in the interim.
    It seems like you are trying to say that passing on questionable information is preferable to passing on no information at all.
    Luca I dont see how you infer that from what you quoted of my post.

    Read again what I DID say about what I post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1223757405/0#9 date=1223809271
    I try not to regurgitate accepted wisdom and generalisations but when I do offer an opinion on a machine Ive had no experience on, its after enough research for me to feel comfortable that Im not passing on bad information.
    Please remember Im an auditor and even though I come here to relax and usually dont write in a formal way and lean towards a laconic reply, I am by nature a picky bastard and wont purposely perpetuate unproven "facts".

    I think CS raises the standard of knowledge as opposed to regurgitating the same old same old.


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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1223757405/0#13 date=1223865006
    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1223757405/0#11 date=1223863945
    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1223757405/0#9 date=1223809271
    If the OP always had to wait for an answer from someone with hands on experience of both machines being compared, hell might freeze over in the interim.
    It seems like you are trying to say that passing on questionable information is preferable to passing on no information at all.
    Luca I dont see how you infer that from what you quoted of my post.

    Read again what I DID say about what I post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1223757405/0#9 date=1223809271
    I try not to regurgitate accepted wisdom and generalisations but when I do offer an opinion on a machine Ive had no experience on, its after enough research for me to feel comfortable that Im not passing on bad information.
    Please remember Im an auditor and even though I come here to relax and usually dont write in a formal way and lean towards a laconic reply, I am by nature a picky bastard and wont purposely perpetuate unproven "facts".
    Your post implies that it is preferable to regurgitate accepted wisdom about something with which you have no specific experience in situations in which it seems that information based on actual experience will not be forthcoming in a reasonable time. Its true to say that I was rather cheeky and uncharitable in paraphrasing you as I did, but I dont think that its too inaccurate.

    I have no specific instances of anything that you have posted in mind, but my point is that the poster ought to be able to determine for themselves whether or not to accept conclusions offered as reliable. At a minimum, they need the information upon which it is based in order to be able to make a meaningful judgement for themself. You seem to state that it is acceptable for you to make up your mind based on research (presumably reading forums) as to what you are comfortable is not bad information. This is where I think we disagree.

    I think that rather than passing on your conclusion, you should pass on your research and let the person who has posted draw their own conclusion.

    It also looks to me as though you put more stock in things that are written online than I do.

    I think CS raises the standard of knowledge as opposed to regurgitating the same old same old.
    CS certainly puts information and opinion about expensive espresso machines out there and some of that information is very good and very useful.

    I think that there is a lot of regurgitation of the same old same old. People can keep on doing it if they like, but it would be nice if they attributed their opinion to a source.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    I see now how you are taking what I wrote.

    I do agree with you that the questioner should know the experience of the answerer.

    But this forum is not a uni paper.
    Are we meant to put citations and references in all our posts?

    Newbs come here for help.
    Usually we have to ask for more information because they dont know what they should be asking.

    We assume a certain lack of understanding and they trust us with a certain amount of knowledge.

    If I were to restrict myself to answering questions on only Expobar Levas and Sunbeam 6910s Id be conributing a whole lot less to this forum.

    Im OK with you being the appointed sceptic, as moved by rocknee.
    So I officially second the motion.

    All in favour?


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    I think there is plenty of us sceptics here already without needing a sceptic in chief ;)

    Doesnt matter the type of forum or the subject the web is full of good bad and ugly stuff you just need to apply a common sense filter but this place in the main is right up there for the good with only minor lots of the other two.

    Personally if someone has read something somewhere and can cite the source or point to it then I am happy to consider it but I seldom take any individuals opinion as gospel. Both read and experienced make up knowledge but experienced carries more weight.

    No risk of the following happening here either ;)

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. " J Gobels.

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    agree with luca

    too many times on these forums(including this one), things are stated, and read by the unknowledgable as fact

    whats wrong with some honest statements

    --In my opinion

    --a friend has one of these and says its????

    -- from my experience using this machine

    but sometimes what we get is

    ---all automatics are

    ---they make fake crema

    -- all supermarket coffee is crap

    -- if its more than 5 days old its stale

    we have a lot of knowledgable people attached to this forum, some with over ten years experience in the industry, Roasters, Repairers, Baristas (real ones), Teachers etc
    but at times their comments, or assistance, based on experince is questioned and sometimes critisized by some no it alls

    we have a fairlygood forum, dont make it like most others

    IMHO

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Great philosophical discussion...now lets get back to reality.

    As the Australian importer of the Splendor I can offer this piece of advice:

    It is a fantastic little machine for what it is...which is an E61 semi commercial (or "prosumer" for those that like to adopt yankspeak) clone with 1.3 litre boiler.....which makes really good E61 style quality espresso, delivers good steam, *and looks fantastic with one of the highest standards of build in the market so will look every bit the part in your kitchen. It performs exactly as it should.

    Only you can make the decision as to buy it or the other. A 400 Euro difference is a huge impost so there ***should*** be a corresponding difference in what you can do, or get from, the S1 either now or in the future as your interest or palate develops.

    If you think that you can get so much more from the S1, then that is the one you should buy for yourself but consider this, all too often in these forums the vocal people are always assuming that everyone is looking for the holy grail or has an expert palate when all too often this is not the case. So they send people who are looking for advice, on the hunt for stratospheric tech specs at the pre purchase side of things, just so in the end they can feel great when they make their 2 lattes for the day at home.

    Nothing wrong with that, just be sure *not to get too carried away in special interest forums that skew the market to purchase equipment that may not necessarily be the right equipment for the particular needs of the individual and incidentally, in many instances recommend only a small number of flavour of the month models around and around in a circle...not that I am saying this is happening in this topic, just that this topic has moved tangentially around tbe place and I guess I am just adding my 3 cents worth to the tangential bit.

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    Firstly I whole heartedly agree with FC and I have found his recent posts to be refreshingly honest and direct.

    So the only thing I can add to this is that both machines mentioned are designed for vastly different duties.

    The La Spaziale is a commercial single group machine and is built to survive in a commercial environment.

    The Unico is a single group machine designed primarily for home use.

    That is quite a difference in machines.

    Heres my opinion. Im not a fan of the non-standard 53 mm protafilter of the La Spaziale, for no other reason than I like standardization. However, I am a fan of the adjustable brew temperature of the La Spaz due mainly to the fact that I usually have a different bean/blend/roast level every other week and constantly need to adjust the brew temp. That said, I manage on an E61-variant HX machine by changing my flush. SO its not that much of an inconvenience.

    Cheers,

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    Nice posts, Graham, Attilio and Mark.

    I see now how you are taking what I wrote.

    I do agree with you that the questioner should know the experience of the answerer.

    But this forum is not a uni paper.
    Are we meant to put citations and references in all our posts?
    Graham gave a pretty good response to this. Its not hard to preface or end your posts by saying "based on what I have read" or "a friend of mine has a" or "I have had a brief go at" or anything similar. I have made an effort to do that with all of my posts wherever I can and you can see by the length of most of my waffle that its hardly a great impediment to the creative process ;P

    Newbs come here for help.
    Usually we have to ask for more information because they dont know what they should be asking.

    We assume a certain lack of understanding and they trust us with a certain amount of knowledge.
    You dont need citations to ask questions! On the other hand, it strikes me as a bit arrogant to presume to make judgments for people and one might ask why you, or anyone else in particular, should be doing that for any particular newbie. Particularly when its very easy to simply lay out what your opinion is and why you think that and leave it to them to decide.

    If I were to restrict myself to answering questions on only Expobar Levas and Sunbeam 6910s Id be conributing a whole lot less to this forum.
    Quality > Quantity.

    Besides, I always found it a little sad that so much of the discussion on this site is about machines as opposed to coffee. I thought that the machines were just a tool to get to the end goal of consuming the coffee? If you want to contribute to the forum, why not contribute more about coffee as opposed to machines? I mean, Andy puts so much work into sourcing all of this great coffee for everyone; its kind of sad that the cupping room gets less traffic than the machines.

    Im OK with you being the appointed sceptic, as moved by rocknee.
    So I officially second the motion.

    All in favour?
    Does the position come with a paycheck? ;P

    I dont think that we would need a sceptic if people disclosed the information upon which their posts were based.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1223757405/20#20 date=1223990730
    it strikes me as a bit arrogant to presume to make judgments for people and one might ask why you, or anyone else in particular, should be doing that for any particular newbie
    Im a little upset that you use the word arrogant in relation to me.
    Ill admit that in years past Ive come across that way in person but have for many years tried to avoid such an impression and thought that here, in writing, I dont post in an arrogant manner.

    The reason it upsets me is because its obviously an impression you have of me in general, because if you check, I have not actually given an opinion of the two machines in question; therefore I have made no no judgments in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1223757405/20#20 date=1223990730
    Quality > Quantity
    Agreed - Ive always thought the succinctness of my posts showed my leaning towards this.


    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1223757405/20#20 date=1223990730
    If you want to contribute to the forum, why not contribute more about coffee as opposed to machines?
    I dont consider my palate good enough to contribute more about the coffee itself; I do contribute about the coffee within my self-imposed limitations.


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    Hi TG,

    I put that comment under your quote about newbies not knowing what to ask and having to trust us to refer to the arrogance of presuming that because you know more you should be able to make decisions for other people, as opposed to giving them the information, suggesting what you would do and allowing them to decide for themselves. It was not intended to be a general statement about you.

    One of the wonderful thing about actually doing cuppings in real life, as opposed to reading and writing things on the internet, is seeing the surprise and joy in the eyes of newbies as they realise that theyre actually a lot better at it than they think that they are. You would not have a gagillion dollars worth of equipment and access to some of the best coffee that Australia has to offer if you didnt have a fairly decent palate. I bet that you have a much better palate than you think that you have.

    Cheers,

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    Fair enough.

    I think I tend to do as you suggest and supply information for them to make up their minds.

    I know Ive suggested they list their requirements so that they can assist themselves in their research.

    Maybe I dont do it 100% of the time, but horses for courses, sometimes they just want an answer.

    I know my palates improved from "good or bad" to more subtle descriptions like "nutty", even sometimes the particular type of nut.

    But I have done a cupping session with a renowned cupper of note and it only proved at that time that I have quite a long way to go compared to some.

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    I have had a La Spaz for the last 8 months. I have not used a Splendor Unico so I cannot offer a comparison but I can say what I like about the La Spaz.
    - it makes good coffee - I guess they all do with a good operator. Its easy to change the brew temp. Its relatively quiet.
    - it is very easy to use- yes the volumetric stuff is a bit overkill but it is so simple my partner makes herself a coffee if I am not there. This all helps to justify the bench space.
    - its quick - I can make a flat white *in under 2 minutes inc giving the machine a reverse flush. When I am late for work this is a real plus - do I have time another cup - of course I do, it only takes 2 minutes...
    - my kids use it for noodles, I make hot chocolates at night, herbal teas on tap, boiling water for the stove. It earns its place on the kitchen.

    Is it overkill? Is it overkill to have 25kg of beans on top of the cupboard, a roaster under the bench, 2 grinders.....just to make a drink? Of course. But its a cheap hobby. If I bought a coffee on the way to work each day it would cost the same. Or so I tell myself.

    The cost of the machine is only a small factor - this thing will last over 10 years. Maybe 20, who knows. Spread over that time it is a small amount per year and it gives me a lot of pleasure. Certainly I dont expect to buy another one. Buy the one you like.

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Wow, what can I say? Thank you for the tons of answers. You are very very nice! :D

    I made I mistake. The S1 for 1400€ is not the Vivaldi but Mini Vivaldi, the not-plumbed version. I can’t use a plumbed coffee machine right now due to my kitchen setup.

    I add more buying options:

    Splendor Unico – 1000€ (1900AUD)
    Expobar Office Leva – 1100€ (2100AUD)
    Bezzera Domus Galatea – 1300€ (2500AUD)

    Expobar Minore II – 1400€ (2700AUD)
    Spaziale S1 Mini Vivaldi – 1400€ (2700AUD)


    I read all the answers so I got some questions:

    - Quality not quantity: My needs are not to make a lot of coffees per day. In fact I think that I’ll make 1-2 cups per day. Some weekends I’ll make 6 to 8 cups due to the visit of my friends. So I’m no looking for quantity but for quality.

    - Heat-up time: One aspect that concerns me is the machine time to heat-up. It is possible that some days my friends and I go out to lunch or dinner and then want to go home to take a coffee, so I can not wait 45’ or 1 hour just to heat the machine. 15-20 mins will be acceptable. So, dual boiler machines (S1, Minore II) takes more time to heat up than HX machines (Splendor Unico, Bezzera Galatea, Office Leva)? If HX are faster… which is faster?

    - Cooling flush: I’m looking for a dual boiler machine for 2 reasons:
    1/ No need to cooling flush like HX machines.
    2/ Exact and optimal water temp.
    The 2 reasons (well, perhaps is the same) are due, as I said, to get quality. The fact that I don’t understand in HX machines is: how do I measure the optimal temperature to brew the coffee? Perhaps the water is 100ºC or perhaps is 90ºC… and does it makes a big difference in taste, isn’t it?? In conclusion: can a HX give the same quality shots than a Dual Boiler?


    Again, thank you very much.

    Cheers!

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    My Vivaldi II is plumbed in and given how much water goes through it I think it is a good choice. I think it is possible to use it with an external water tank with an adjustment for the brew pressure which would be lower without the mains pressure input to the pump. I think this would most likely be a temporary setup as the external tank would be large and annoying to fill but they do this in the US.

    My Spaz heats up in about 20 minutes - the brew boiler much quicker but the *steam boiler takes about 20 minutes. I run 2 double cup flushes through the grouphead to get things at an even temp for this first cup. Later in the day I just use 1 double flush to preheat my cup.

    One of the Spazs few annoyances is that you cannot simply use a time switch to turn it on 30 mins before you get up. You can buy a timer for it as an external unit but it is expensive for what it is and IMHO not worth it. There is a mod you can do to use an external time switch but it turns on in its programming mode - not much of a problem. Again I dont think it is worth it as the warm up time is pretty good. Any time switch would need to cope with the hefty current it pulls.

    As for the black art of the HX flush my answer is that its up to your taste buds - try a shorter or longer flush and see how it tastes. It will taste different, but "better" is up to you. I dont think there is any such thing as absolute correct brew temp. My machine is marked from 91 to 97 degrees but exactly how accurate that is is open to debate - do we mean boiler temp or temp at the top of the coffee or some other spot? When I shift it from 93 to 91 as I did today to me it just means I have lowered the brew temp by about 2 degrees, not that my coffee is actually at some magic number - its just a relative adjustment. So you can do the same thing with an HX. However I know my main squeeze would not tackle an HX to make herself a coffee but she is happy to use the Spaz. I dont think people should underestimate how important it is to involve ones spouse in the delusion that all this equipment is necessary to make that 60ml of brown stuff in a cup. This is the secret of true happiness:-)

    HTH,

    Chris

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    8-) Thank you cjhfield. Your post is very informative to me.

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    Could anyone tell me the differences between Splendor Unico and Galatea Domus? Not tech specs ( I know) but real life things. A difference of 300€ seems a lot to me, so I must suppose galatea it is much better (?)


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    Could anyone tell me the differences between Splendor Unico and Galatea Domus? Not tech specs ( I know) but real life things. A difference of 300€ seems a lot to me, so I must suppose galatea it is much better (?)
    I can’t comment on the Slendor

    But as an owner
    I love my Bezzera Galatea for these reasons

    Beautiful build quality
    Easy inspection if required
    (About 6 screws from underneath and the whole outer casing comes off in one piece)
    Easy to fill with water by hinged panel on top
    Sexy looking in the kitchen
    Strong dry steam
    Very reliable
    Ohhh and it makes superb coffee ;)

    KK




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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Thanks Kosmo!

    not sure what happens, but i can not find a Bezzera Galatea review on the net and i see very few comments in other forums. It seems that is not a very popular machine? Strange. The look of the machine is amazing. *(last night I dreamt with the machine *:-[) * ::)

    In my search for more info Ive read some cons about galatea:

    - more noisy than other machines.
    - coffee shots are not as good as giotto premium.
    - difficult to get good microfoam due to 4 hole tip.
    - too big.

    More opinions please. *:)

    By the way, is it quick to heat up?

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Aton
    More opinions please. *

    By the way, is it quick to heat up?
    25 min from turn on to hot but if you give it a quick water shot it is quicker

    In my search for more info Ive read some cons about Galatea:
    - more noisy than other machines.
    Noise is the same as other vibe pump machines

    - coffee shots are not as good as giotto premium.
    It is important not to overdose the PF
    Try them both and you will see that you will not find much difference to the taste just the operation

    difficult to get good microfoam due to 4 hole tip.
    - too big.
    Rubbish it is easier you just have to know how to do it
    I get microfoam in less then 10 seconds
    Try my method
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1220959662

    It seems that is not a very popular machine? Strange. The look of the machine is amazing. *(last night I dream with the machine *) * *
    As more people buy it you will get more reviews (its still a new model)
    And yes she is beautiful. But people will sometimes buy a cheeper machine and overlook quality.

    KK

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Quote Originally Posted by Koffee Kosmo link=1223757405/20#30 date=1224803991

    25 min from turn on to hot but if you give it a quick water shot it is quicker
    mmm.. so its something like the rancilio silvia trick?

    http://www.coffeekid.com/archived/rancilio/cheatsilvia


    Rubbish it is easier you just have to know how to do it
    I get microfoam in less then 10 seconds
    Try my method
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1220959662
    Ah, thanks.

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    What about the size question? too big?



    It is important not to overdose the PF
    Try them both and you will see that you will not find much difference to the taste just the operation
    I would wish to try these machines, but i cant. Bezzera distributor is 600km away, and giotto... well, nobody sells the giotto here. I have to buy it online from italy. *::)

    Thats why your opinion is very important to me. Internet is the only information resource for this theme. I hope not bothering you with so many questions. *:-[

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    Ah, thanks.

    What about the size question? too big?
    It is just right for our limited bench space
    Net Weight: 22.7 Kgs
    - Dimensions: 360mmW x 455mmD x 450mmH
    PDF here
    http://barazi.com.au/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=140

    mmm.. so its something like the rancilio silvia trick?
    No just a quick flush so hot water runs through the group head to warm things up
    after 15 minutes from switching on

    Oton
    I forgot to add that it has a low water sensor that cuts the pump off so she don’t blow up
    (tank model)

    KK

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    Oton;

    Lo mas facil es que le escribas a la fabrica directamente, ellos te diran quien es el distribuidor en tu area.

    Saludos desde Austalia



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    well said Renzo.

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Quote Originally Posted by Koffee Kosmo link=1223757405/20#28 date=1224729254


    I can’t comment on the [s]Splendor[/s] Bezzera Galatea
    But as an owner
    I love my [s]Bezzera Galatea[/s] Splendor for these reasons

    Beautiful build quality
    Easy inspection if required
    (About [s]6[/s] 4 screws from [s]underneath[/s] on the side and the whole outer casing comes off in one piece)
    Easy to fill with water by [s]hinged[/s] easy to remove panel on top
    Sexy looking in the kitchen...Sorry...I mean hot
    Strong dry steam
    Very reliable
    Ohhh and it makes [s]superb[/s] fantabulous coffee ;)
    And....It takes about 10 minutes to heat up.

    [s]KK[/s]

    -Linda

    KK...I didnt mean to hijack your post....Linda ;D ;)


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    KK...I didnt mean to hijack your post....Linda
    Linda it’s good to get an almost identical opinion (wana swap machines ;))

    Oton there you have it
    2 reviews from happy owners

    Both the Bezzera Galatea and the Unico Splendor are great machines

    I am sure if you choose one you will be rewarded with many years of great coffee and trouble free operation
    Good luck on your choice

    Remember its whats the cup that counts ;)

    KK



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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Quote Originally Posted by Di Bartoli link=1223757405/20#33 date=1224828282
    Oton;

    Lo mas facil es que le escribas a la fabrica directamente, ellos te diran quien es el distribuidor en tu area.

    Saludos desde Austalia

    Renzo

    Ah.. hablas Español! :) En España el unico distribuidor de Bezzera está en Barcelona. Solo hay ese. Creo que en España la pasión por el cafe no está tan difundida como en Australia. *:-/. Es curioso, porque en España, como sabeis, hay varios fabricantes de maquinas de cafe y molinillos.

    (in Spain theres only one Bezzera Distributor, located in Barcelona. I think that in Spain, the passion for coffee is not as widespread as in Australia. :-/. It is curious, because in Spain, as you know, there are several manufacturers of machines and coffee grinders.)




    > To Linda & KK

    I had a laugh *;D You are very funny.


    mmm.. how is possible that galatea takes about 25 mins to heat up and Splendor only 10? *:-?


    Cheers amigos!

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    i was think the same thing about lindas post.
    i dont have any experience with the splendor, but estimating a 1.3 to 1.5 litre boiler, i would suggest that its going to take more than 10 minutes to PROPERLY heat up. the boiler would be up to speed after ten minutes, but the grouphead and portafilter (and possibly some other internal bits) probably wont be. most people with similar machines suggest 1/2 an hour at minimum.

    having said all of that though. it would be interesting to experiment with tasting a short black after ten minutes and then say after 30 minutes to see if the difference is detectable.

    there are plenty of suggestions thrown around (all in good faith and spirit) that sometimes wont necessarily apply to each person in each circumstance. eg: saying that the quality in the cup b/w a mazzer kony is different to a super jolly - well that may be the case, but not to everyone...

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    The manual which came with my Splendor says 15 minutes minimum warm up time. *

    So far Ive been unable to differentiate in the taste of espresso produced after 15 minutes or 30 minutes warm up. But then again, that could be my taste buds ;)

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    hey sa
    1. manuals are a little bit like the Bible - theyre open to interpretation.
    2. 15 minutes it is then i guess (for you) and you might only reconsider when someone ELSEs buds inform you otherwise...

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    Quote Originally Posted by roknee link=1223757405/40#40 date=1225155531
    hey sa

    2. 15 minutes it is then i guess (for you) and you might only reconsider when someone ELSEs buds inform you otherwise...
    Probably more the case that Im still learning the new machine/grinder combo. I suspect the general consensus that ~30 minutes warm up is correct, its just that I cant taste the difference......yet :). Im working on it, though.

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Oton.

    perche non comperi una macchine da una fabbrica locale / Spagnola?

    A.
    Ps I know this is not Spanish but Italian, but w h e n y o u s p e a k o r w r i t e s l o w l y , w e c a n u n d e r s t a n d e a c h o t h e r hehehehehehe!

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    ;D ;D Es verdad.

    I dont buy *a spanish machine because.. mmm... Demoka: bah.. no e61 group. Expobar: OMG look those ugly legs. (IMO of course, no offence expobar owners *:))

    and... hey, I want an italian girl. Look at Galatea! Sexy, classy, stylish!! * :-* ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by oton link=1223757405/40#43 date=1225209440
    Expobar: OMG look those ugly legs.
    You get used to them.

    I call mine Elena because shes Spanish and hot!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1223757405/40#44 date=1225232926
    Quote Originally Posted by oton link=1223757405/40#43 date=1225209440
    Expobar: OMG look those ugly legs.
    You get used to them.

    I call mine Elena because shes Spanish and hot!!!
    I took away the tall legs and put on short little nubs instead.

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    The updated Minore II (Brewtus) has short legs, metal toggle power switch and a sexy new temp controller as well...

    Its a much better looking machine and will surprise. Aussie stock is a few weeks away...

    I am hoping to have some pix to pop up very soon....

    That said, I love the looks of the Diadema Junior Extra and the Regal (even over the Splendor ;))....

    Chris

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1223757405/40#46 date=1225236278

    That said, I love the looks of the Diadema Junior Extra and the Regal (even over the Splendor ;))....
    Same, just quietly.

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    Re: Splendor Unico vs Spaziale S1

    Could anyone tell me if splendor boiler (1.3l) is enough to prepare, for example, 8 cappas? Whats the real difference (in practice i mean) between a machine with 1.3l boiler and another with 2.0l?


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    The short answer:
    You will have no problem doing 8 cappuccino with the 1.3 litre Splendor.....you will employ the same modus operandi (management of use of the machine) as you woiuld with a machine with *larger boiler, because you are still looking at a 1 grouup machine where you can only make 2 esp at a time, plus steam. You cant do all the milk at once, so in both applications there will be need to go from coffee to milk to coffee to milk....

    If you are going to buy one make sure it is one of the latest models which is the Splendor Maxi, not original "new old stock" Splendor. This is because the Maxi has *much better steaming capacity.

    In any case 1.3 litre machines recover more quickly because there is less water to heat.....

    The long answer:
    The original Splendor and the Splendor Maxi both have the 1.3 litre boiler. But the steam valves are quite different (plus other upgrades that cant be seen externally).

    This serves to show that capacity of a machine to entertain is not necessarily related to the size of a machines boiler (as many in these lists seem to think that "bigger is better")...it has more to do with the total set up of the machine ergo.... a machine and how good it is is not the sum of the tech specs but how it can be demonstrated to perform...

    Regards,
    Attilio.

    PS you really need to stop worrying and make a decision. You will be fine. At this level all these machines pitched at the same market perform in *similar* manner given individual differences as noted above.



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