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    Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Im tossing up which to buy, as my first machine.
    Rocket Giotto, or the new Vibiemme Domobar Super Junior (1.5L HX boiler)
    Theyre a similar price & size (important for me) and have similar capabilities as far as I can tell.
    But I havent used either of them personally (other than a quick play around in the shop).
    For people that have used both, or know the details of each, do you have a preference?

    Im particularly concerned with useability aspects..
    - Warm-up times
    - Quality of controls
    - Easy of keeping clean
    - Steam power
    ...etc..

    many thanks if you can provide some help!

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Shame youve got no response, Id be very interested in hearing about the super junior too. Sounds like it might be a nice alternative to its bigger brother if like me, you dont really need that much hardware.

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    I dont think many would have much experience with the domobar Jr as its a fairly new machine.

    IMHO, when you step up to machines at this price range, there isnt a whole lot of difference in performance when you compare the two.

    Bigger boiler on the giotto will give you slightly better steaming power. The stock steam tip on the giotto is easier to handle/use compared to VBM tips. Might have a better recovery time with a bigger boiler as well.

    Control wise, theyre all lever operated machines, giotto has roundish steam/water knobs, VBM has triangular knobs.

    With keeping clean its pretty much the same.

    Just down to aesthetics and special offers that are available at the time of purchase I guess.

    Whichever machine you choose, you wont be disappointed.

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    I would imagine the warm up time to be the same regardless in this prioce bracket.
    I have a giotto and ensure a minium warm up from cold of 30mins, 45 if i can wait that long.

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Hi skelly,

    As others have mentioned, the Domobar Junior has not been available in Australia. Thats about to change.

    ECA will have the Domobar Junior on the bench at Aromafest and it will be on and running.

    Final spec (as I understand) is 1.5L boiler and the fit and finish is usual VBM standard.

    Warmup times etc are typical e-61- so allow at least 30 min wherever possible.

    regards

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Cheers for the replies! :)

    Yeah its a close match for "best in class"!

    Bonus points for each, as far as i can tell, are:

    Rocket:
    commercial pstat
    350ml larger boiler

    VBM Jr:
    slightly cheaper
    300w more heat
    larger & better drip tray
    a second pressure dial
    (may also have a superior thermosyphon restrictor)

    Not sure if any of these will make a difference to me tho.

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5048464F4F5A230 link=1246957183/5#5 date=1247140476
    (VBM Junior.....may also have a superior thermosyphon restrictor)
    Hmm...not likely...The DS needs a small cooling flush which is not required in the Giotto...I guess that the Junior may be similarly configured.

    I think that Rocket probably has the edge here at present....Nevertheless, all VBM gear is terrific!

    2mcm

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    45 min warm up time???

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Yes if i can wait that long but 30min will also do the trick.
    As mentioned by someone in another post today you can wrap a towel around the group head to speed up the process but it should not be left on for any extended period.

    Mal

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    not meaning to second-guess you 2mcm, but our (office) Domobar Super Lever doesnt require a cooling flush. Pours @ 94-95C straight through the shot, last time it was scaced.

    Interestingly, trying to temperature surf on either of my HX machines is almost impossible :(

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    (apart from possibly the icepack/tea towel method)

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Quote Originally Posted by 436E6F647E637E730A0 link=1246957183/9#9 date=1247674706
    Interestingly, trying to temperature surf on either of my HX machines is almost impossible :( *
    Thats the whole idea with HX machines though (apart from the first shot in a series), to provide Brew Water Temperature that is consistent from shot to shot and intra-shot too for that matter. Well designed and engineered machines, especially those that implement the E-61 Group properly, do a great job of achieving this but are not suited to someone who wants to chase a water temperature on a shot to shot basis. They just arent designed to do this. If this is important for someone, then they really should be looking at a decent 2-Boiler machine with adjustable temperature facility on the Brew Boiler (Water Heater ;))....

    Or, stick with a Dual Purpose Single Boiler machine that has a nice implementation of one of Jims PID Kits :P

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Well, thats true, and thats why Im not a massive fan of the Minore III. Brew Profiles + E-61 to me = :o

    Problem is finding a PIDd double boiler single group machine under $7200, or I think Id be all over it like a rash.

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Quote Originally Posted by 44696863796479740D0 link=1246957183/12#12 date=1247708199
    Problem is finding a PIDd double boiler single group machine under $7200, or I think Id be all over it like a rash.
    Enter.... LaSpaziale Vivaldi. ;)


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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Quote Originally Posted by 55787972687568651C0 link=1246957183/12#12 date=1247708199
    Problem is finding a PIDd double boiler single group machine under $7200, or I think Id be all over it like a rash.
    You can have my gs/3 for $7190.

    I will even throw in a full tank of filtered water!! hows that!

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    the LaSpaziale Vivaldi has only [s]one[/s] [s]two[/s] three problems with it though.

    1) ugly!
    2) only first crack adjustments in temp.
    3) very, very ugly

    looks like it crawled into a plastics factory circa 1995, and never quite made it out. The Izzo Alex Duetto II looks to have a few QC issues and is more expensive than expected, and the VBM double boiler w/ PID is E61 and never quite popped its head up.

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Well,

    There is the Dalle Corte machine which purports to perform as well as much higher priced temperature controlled dual boiler jobs. Might be worth a look? Discussion on Home Barista here.... http://www.home-barista.com/espresso...ini-t1544.html Probably a love it or hate it design though... :-?

    Mal.

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Theres also the VBM Double-Domobar Junior :)

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Quote Originally Posted by 775A5B504A574A473E0 link=1246957183/17#17 date=1248608311
    Theres also the VBM Double-Domobar Junior :)
    Not coming to Australia and the $$ v value equation doesnt add up :(

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    there may just be someone here whos getting offended by all the la spaz ugleh talk....

    but yeah there is a kinda ugleh side to her
    also no PID
    and as many fonts on it as there are degree increments

    ID - isnt the izzo also e-61??

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4865646F75687578010 link=1246957183/12#12 date=1247708199
    Problem is finding a PIDd double boiler single group machine under $7200, or I think Id be all over it like a rash.
    2 x Silvias each with PIDs will do it for $2K

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    Re: Rocket Giotto vs VBM Domobar Jr?

    tell you what, getting back on topic the word "domobar super" should be bandied around, so the OP is comparing apples with apples.



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