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    3k for machine and grinder?

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    Hello, long time lurker first time poster.

    I need to upgrade from my uber crappy Breville setup and have $3000 to spend. Ive been looking at the Diadema Regal, and they are on sale atm through Talk Coffee, bargain! *;D

    Suggestions for machines around same price (sale price of DR $2295) keeping in mind I need a grinder too...?

    Milk based drinks mainly however Ill be drinking more espresso with a decent machine, only for espresso machine use (no plunger etc use)

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    $3000 will get you some great Bling!!! Plus it will make great espresso.
    Not sure on the current price of the Rocket Giotto but give that a try as these are highly rated as well.
    Pair with a great grinder, try a Macap and see how you go. I am sure Talk Coffee will have plenty for you to chose from.

    Mal

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Thats the 1.3 lt DR
    Pair this with a Mazzer Mini or Macap M/4 or 5

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Welcome "Annzy"..... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    Best thing you can do (if possible) is visit a reputable specialist coffee hardware retailer like one of our many Site Sponsors such as Talk Coffee, Di Bartoli or Barazi depending on where you are and who are closest. Most of our Site Sponsors can provide you with personal demonstrations of several different machines and grinders so you can then choose the combo that best suits you. As a CS member, you will be well looked after so dont forget to mention..... ;)

    All the best,
    Mal.

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Thanks guys :D

    Ive been in contact with Chris at Talk Coffee whos very helpful. I live in Central West NSW and am 4-5 hrs from Sydney; further from Melbourne.

    I was thinking M4 grinder but wanted to see what other options you might throw in the mix for me.

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    M4 grinder is very capable and great value for money - Id probably go for a cheap enough machine to buy this with part of the buget, or a cheaper machine and squeeze enough budget for a K10 WBC or MX[K] grinder.

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    I cant give you much advise as Im a total newby but I just ordered a expobar and a macap M5 with pullman tamper and it arrives tomorrow. The lot for not much over 2.5k so with 3k you could even stretch maybe to a VBM domobar super in black. All reviews on the M5/4 have been pretty good.
    Good luck..

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    Nice. Which Expobar? What the difference between an M4 and M5?

    Im willing to stretch the budget to cover a Regal and M4. Is Di Bartoli open on a weekend?

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    Welcome Daisy and good onya! Sounds like a great set-up youve got coming your way - very exiting, eh? Post up a few pics when it arrives.

    Yep, Annzy. The M4 (or 5) is a beautiful grinder, would match any HX machine. Being out west makes it a bit hard to get to a sponsor to try out a few. (Might be worth a trip into Sydney - Di Bartoli, Jet Black, Cuppacoffee - or Canberra - Cosmorex, home of the beautiful Diademas.) Im sure, though, that Chris will give you great advice if you cant.

    As Daisy has indicated, you should be able to get a very nice set-up for $3K. (And keep a bit in reserve for the Pullman tamper ;).)

    Enjoy the search.

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by 446B6B7F7C050 link=1250510126/7#7 date=1250588040
    What the difference between an M4 and M5?
    Hopper.
    http://www.dibartoli.com.au/products.asp?cid=26

    Quote Originally Posted by 446B6B7F7C050 link=1250510126/7#7 date=1250588040
    Is Di Bartoli open on a weekend?
    Saturdays.
    http://www.dibartoli.com.au/contact.asp

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Thanks GregJW. So what would be the reason Id want a larger and narrower hopper?

    Also, what are the cons for only having a 1.3L boiler? There are only 2 in our household wholl be using the machine with the exception of the occassional guest.

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6B444450532A0 link=1250510126/10#10 date=1250593666
    So what would be the reason Id want a larger and narrower hopper? *
    By no means am I an expert, but Id say the narrower hopper (M5) would allow better weighing down on the beans going into the grinder from the beans above, whilst the shorter hopper (M4) may suit some people aesthetically and fitting under cupboards, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by 6B444450532A0 link=1250510126/10#10 date=1250593666
    Also, what are the cons for only having a 1.3L boiler? There are only 2 in our household wholl be using the machine with the exception of the occassional guest. *
    Again, havent used a 1.3 lt machine, but Id suggest it should be fine for your use. Steaming power may not be quite the same as a 1.8 lt machine but I understand theyre still adequate for average domestic use. (If Andy Freeman can make 2,000 coffees in a row at the Vic bushfires with a 1.8 lt Giotto, then Id assume a 1.3 lt Regal should cope with 2 plus an occasional guest.)

    Best to talk with Chris (Talk Coffee) or Attilio (Cosmorex) who know all there is to know on these machines.

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B7E696B465B0C0 link=1250510126/11#11 date=1250597521
    Again, havent used a 1.3 lt machine, but Id suggest it should be fine for your use
    Wise words Greg,

    Whilst we all love the notion of driving a big thumping V8 car or maybe a Ferrari, how many of us can even use the performance of a small four *:-??

    I have done coffee for 50 with a Diadema Junior Semi-auto which also has a 1.3L boiler. It was a walk in the park....

    There are great machines with small boilers and rubbish machines with larger ones- and vice versa for that matter ;)

    The key factor is to get honest advice and preferably buy a machine which is terrific out of the box rather than one which needs major modification to behave. You can do a whole heap worse than the Diadema....

    Happy shopping...

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1D282522160A262F2F2C2C490 link=1250510126/12#12 date=1250598158
    Quote Originally Posted by 4B7E696B465B0C0 link=1250510126/11#11 date=1250597521
    Again, havent used a 1.3 lt machine, but Id suggest it should be fine for your use
    Wise words Greg,

    Whilst we all love the notion of driving a big thumping V8 car or maybe a Ferrari, how many of us can even use the performance of a small four *:-??

    I have done coffee for 50 with a Diadema Junior Semi-auto which also has a 1.3L boiler. It was a walk in the park....

    There are great machines with small boilers and rubbish machines with larger ones- and vice versa for that matter ;)

    The key factor is to get honest advice and preferably buy a machine which is terrific out of the box rather than one which needs major modification to behave. You can do a whole heap worse than the Diadema....

    Happy shopping...

    Chris

    Agree... I have a Diadema Junior Automatic as the rest of the tribe like the auto volume option ( I do at times.. But you can still use as a manual)

    Great little beast and Steaming / coffee etc etc No problem... Boiler auto fills so no problem..

    Only ever needs flush if sitting for extended time.. Problem is the wife takes her time when I tap on teh bell to get her to bring me more filtered water, when its time to fill the tank.. Problem is that the sponsors do not provide re education for partners... Apparently, that is out responsibility

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by 675245476A77200 link=1250510126/8#8 date=1250588688
    Welcome Daisy and good onya! Sounds like a great set-up youve got coming your way - very exiting, eh? Post up a few pics when it arrives.

    Yep, Annzy. The M4 (or 5) is a beautiful grinder, would match any HX machine. Being out west makes it a bit hard to get to a sponsor to try out a few. (Might be worth a trip into Sydney - Di Bartoli, Jet Black, Cuppacoffee - or Canberra - Cosmorex, home of the beautiful Diademas.) Im sure, though, that Chris will give you great advice if you cant.

    As Daisy has indicated, you should be able to get a very nice set-up for $3K. (And keep a bit in reserve for the Pullman tamper *;).)

    Enjoy the search.

    Its meant to be here between 11-2pm very exciting indeed. I got the office leva and the only dif between the hoppers is the shape and amout of beens they hold the M4 i think is 400g and the M5 600g so the M4 is good for cupboard height restrictions. Ill post some shiny pics once all here and setup. The extra money on the Diadema would definately be worth it.

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    I have the Leva too and the M5.
    Youll love them both.

    Have they arrived yet?
    Ill assume they have and your having too much fun to post.

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5C737367641D0 link=1250510126/0#0 date=1250510126

    Suggestions for machines around same price (sale price of DR $2295) keeping in mind I need a grinder too...?
    Hi Annzy,

    Machines to have a look/demo on in that price range include:
    * Bezzera BZ07
    * Diadema Regal 1.3
    * Expobar Office Leva
    * Isomac Tea

    These will easily cope with your demands and leave you room for a good quality grinder and you might be able to squeeze in a barista course as well.

    charlie

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Thanks for the suggestions Charlie :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123D2C1A34393B331B393E3D580 link=1250510126/16#16 date=1250723545
    and you might be able to squeeze in a barista course as well.
    Or the seller could provide training and support included in the price of the machine so that there is never a need for a barista course. ;)


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    Quote Originally Posted by 735259595E44370 link=1250510126/18#18 date=1250731985
    Or the seller could provide training
    We call that a Barista Course north of the bridge Den! ;D

    Quote Originally Posted by 735259595E44370 link=1250510126/18#18 date=1250731985

    included in the price of the machine
    A barista couse can often be "squeezed" into the package ;)

    charlie

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Thanks for all your help everyone. :)

    Im going with a Regal and M4, not forgetting a Pullman Tamper of course! *;D

    I live too far away to be able to attend barista courses with any of the site sponsers *:(

    There is however a ripper cafe and roastery in Orange (only 100km away from me) and the owner runs regular courses. Now that Ill be owning a machine Im not embarassed about, Ill line a course up with him. *;D

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Excellent combo Annzy.... 8-)

    Im sure youll be very happy and well satisfied with the quality of brews from these beauties. That course in Orange sounds like a winner too and well worth doing.

    Have fun.... ;D

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    Re: 3k for machine and grinder?

    Oooh, one more question, probably for Regal owners - is the shower screen flat or convex?



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