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    Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

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    Maybe this subject has been flogged B4, if so sorry :-[ Im wanting to toss out/replace our Sunbeam EM5800 (but the minister of finance doesnt know ::)). I was tossing up between a Silvia or a 6910 and would think that either would be suffice. BUT!! after reading and browsing I need (read want) a better machine with more "bling". Probably a single boiler would be ok as Im really the only regular coffee drinker at home, milk based drinks are my weakness :-[. Have been keen on the VBM Piccolo, Isomac Zaffiro or the Diadema Perfetta. Once we start looking at these sort of machines it is not much more to a HX such as the Isomac Tea. But they are all very deep and bench space is limited. I have "Rocky" actually in the laundry on the bench :(. Is there a recommended machine that is less deep, 20 or 30 mm wont be much advantage but 80 or 100 mm would be great.

    Suggestions please :-/??

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Quote Originally Posted by 426061600F0 link=1253832317/0#0 date=1253832317
    Maybe this subject has been flogged B4, if so sorry :-[ Im wanting to toss out/replace our Sunbeam EM5800 (but the minister of finance doesnt know ::)). I was tossing up between a Silvia or a 6910 and would think that either would be suffice. BUT!! after reading and browsing I need (read want) a better machine with more "bling". Probably a single boiler would be ok as Im really the only regular coffee drinker at home, milk based drinks are my weakness :-[. Have been keen on the VBM Piccolo, Isomac Zaffiro or the Diadema Perfetta. Once we start looking at these sort of machines it is not much more to a HX such as the Isomac Tea. But they are all very deep and bench space is limited. I have "Rocky" actually in the laundry on the bench :(. Is there a recommended machine that is less deep, 20 or 30 mm wont be much advantage but 80 or 100 mm would be great.

    Suggestions please :-/??

    Steve M.
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    How about you provide us the actual footprint that your looking at; including hight.

    Only then can people give you the feedback that may be of assistance.

    AM

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Hey Mono,

    I just got a Tea and mazzer a few days ago. Already forgotton how much it was!!!! *;D *It is a joy to work with. I have a post in this section with photos. My foot print is approx 600(d) by 600(w) by 450(h) and it all fits fine and easy to use. It makes a difference as to which side you want your steam wand to be on. Before my steam wand (old em4800!! :o) had the steam wand on the right. Now the wand is on the left and gives me more room to work the milk. :)


    Just be sure your happy with your purchess. I think HX is the way to go as you get to be more professional. What I mean by this is that you can steam and brew at the same time rather than brewing, flick hot water switch to reduce water in boiler, wait for steam build up, turn HW off and flick steam switch, steam, start coffee number 2.

    IMHO I would go a cheaper HX (like the tea) than an expensive single boiler.

    Also as an aside have a look at the post about scale in the domobar super. This can/does happen to all machines eventually. For this reason it is a good idea to include a filtration system in your budget. Or at least plan for it in the near future. Bombora do some good cost effective solutions.

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Thanks AM, of course more information would help :-[ The Perfetta is listed @ (W/D/H) 230x415x380. Ideally say230x320/350x350........but maybe this is not achievable in an E-61 machine, if so a compromise will be in order.

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    Hi Mono,

    I think you will struggle as a boiler and tank require space. Of the common machines, the perfetta is the shallowest at 415mm. The Bezzera BZ07 has a small footprint, but is still deeper...

    Perhaps it might be worth having a think re alternate locations?

    2mcm

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Quote Originally Posted by 797B7A737871140 link=1253832317/2#2 date=1253834249
    Also as an aside have a look at the post about scale in the domobar super. This can/does happen to all machines eventually. For this reason it is a good idea to include a filtration system in your budget. Or at least plan for it in the near future. Bombora do some good cost effective solutions.
    Thanks mongle, the Tea is very tempting, in regards to scale, yes it is disturbing. I have a 2 stage under bench system already installed with a final stage of a .5 micron filter, will this help? I only use filtered water in the SB.

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F2D2C2D420 link=1253832317/3#3 date=1253834281
    Thanks AM, of course more information would help :-[ The Perfetta is listed @ (W/D/H) 230x415x380. Ideally say230x320/350x350........but maybe this is not achievable in an E-61 machine, if so a compromise will be in order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 702F37212A212D242427272F232C420 link=1253832317/4#4 date=1253834974
    Hi Mono,

    I think you will struggle as a boiler and tank require space. Of the common machines, the perfetta is the shallowest at 415mm. The Bezzera BZ07 has a small footprint, but is still deeper...

    Perhaps it might be worth having a think re alternate locations?

    2mcm

    I also had issues with hight and width... But ended up with the Junior - http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1246171209

    However I did have to relocate in the end.. Yes Depth can be a pain... But at the end of teh day the physics is such that a Kitchen should be built to manage a GOOD machine... Thus you do not have to be squeamish and deal with a less than ideal unit...

    AM

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Quote Originally Posted by 772830262D262A2323202028242B450 link=1253832317/4#4 date=1253834974
    I think you will struggle as a boiler and tank require space. Of the common machines, the perfetta is the shallowest at 415mm. The Bezzera BZ07 has a small footprint, but is still deeper...

    Perhaps it might be worth having a think re alternate locations?
    Thanks 2mcm, I half expected from my research that this may be the case. I hoped that the Snobs knowledge base may know of an alternative. *I am really keen on a E-61 machine, looks as if it is "back to the drawing board" for a rethink. "Spouse acceptance factor" is VERY important and alternative machine sites are very limited. Maybe a PIDed Silvia might have to be it :-[. Fortunately I dont need to rush into a decision as the SB is still going strong.

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F50595B4C735F505F595B535B504A3E0 link=1253832317/6#6 date=1253836738
    But at the end of teh day the physics is such that a Kitchen should be built to manage a GOOD machine... Thus you do not have to besqueamish and deal with a less than ideal unit...
    Yeah I wish. Unfortunately Mrs Mono is a tea drinker......well maybe 2 cappas a year. To her "coffee is just coffee". Ooops sorry to blaspheme *::). Hmmmm.......maybe the SB may come to an untimely end :-?

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Quote Originally Posted by 634140412E0 link=1253832317/8#8 date=1253838031
    Quote Originally Posted by 7F50595B4C735F505F595B535B504A3E0 link=1253832317/6#6 date=1253836738
    But at the end of teh day the physics is such that a Kitchen should be built to manage a GOOD machine... Thus you do not have to besqueamish and deal with a less than ideal unit...
    Yeah I wish. Unfortunately Mrs Mono is a tea drinker......well maybe 2 cappas a year. To her "coffee is just coffee". Ooops sorry to blaspheme *::). Hmmmm.......maybe the SB may come to an untimely end :-?

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    Maybe I should have also stated there is a difference between teh Ideal and REALITY ;D

    As I say to my son... Take a Cement pill and harden up.. Tried it on my wife and woke up a week later... Best weeks sleep I ever had ;D

    Coffees aint Coffee ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4F60696B7C436F606F696B636B607A0E0 link=1253832317/9#9 date=1253843071
    Maybe I should have also stated there is a difference between teh Ideal and REALITY Grin

    As I say to my son... Take a Cement pill and harden up..Tried it on my wife and woke up a week later... Best weeks sleep I ever hadGrin
    Yep, can relate to that scenario.......... ;)
    Quote Originally Posted by 4F60696B7C436F606F696B636B607A0E0 link=1253832317/9#9 date=1253843071
    giggled like a schoolgirl
    What the............sorry no comprendo :-[

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    hi Steve M

    Just thought to throw in the new DOMOBAR Junior..... it arrives on Monday with units already pre ordered by a few sponsors! * ;)

    The footprint = 22.5 w *x 43 d x 41 h cm (both depth and height include the handles on drip tray and cup tray).

    Its a tight little unit!

    Cheers Sal




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    Thanks Sal, looks very impressive. Hope you enjoy the toy. Looks as if Im either going to have to go with a Silvia or work out where to put one of these units, the depth is the main issue, height and width should be ok.

    Cheers, Steve.

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Its a shame when youre compromised by space in trying to choose a coffee machine.

    When we eventually renovate our kitchen Ill be sure to allow space for future upgrades.

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Hi Mono, I had the same problem and eventually decided that the machine could not be permanently located on a bench in the kitchen. I have my Perfetta permanently located on a trolley and I just wheel it in to the kitchen & plug it in. Now I realise that this would not suit many people but it is a great solution for me.
    The Perfetta is 420X230 & 370 high and for someone who is not making a lot of coffee every time it is perfect. The single boiler is not a problem as I just pull all the shots & then steam as much milk as I need. I wouldnt be pulling shots & steaming milk at the same time anyhow - Im not operating a cafe.
    My wife doesnt drink coffee either so I know how sensitive the buying decision is. Just do it - shell get used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6558545C4E370 link=1253832317/14#14 date=1253870016
    The Perfetta is 420X230 & 370 high and for someone who is not making a lot of coffee every time it is perfect.The single boiler is not a problem as I just pull all the shots & then steam as much milk as I need. I wouldnt be pulling shots & steaming milk at the same time anyhow - Im not operating a cafe.
    Probably the way I will go with the same or similar
    Quote Originally Posted by 6558545C4E370 link=1253832317/14#14 date=1253870016
    Just do it - shell get used to it.
    Not sure about that..........Dont mention the 127cm Pioneer Plasma in MY front room............ ;)

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    how about something like pavoni lever, or similar? Ive an elektra microcasa semi auto, which is also very small HX.

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6B6E62666E613E0F0 link=1253832317/16#16 date=1253878262
    how about something like pavoni lever, or similar?Ive an elektra microcasa semi auto, which is also very small HX
    Thanks frabel,
    Must say I hadnt considered a lever machine, not sure its for me but will certainly look further into the subject and consider one. Had a browse and one thing is for sure they are eye catching and I would imagine a conversation piece whether you like coffee or not.

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Have a look at the Nuova Simonelli Oscar
    They have a fairly small footprint

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    FYI

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3C3F370C3136323D530 link=1253832317/19#19 date=1254045253
    giggled like a schoolgirl = Rolling On Floor Laughing My Ass Off
    Ahhhh..........thanks for that :)

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Quote Originally Posted by 745059595A5A6074504C52503F0 link=1253832317/18#18 date=1253921265
    Have a look at the Nuova Simonelli Oscar
    Did see one of these in a store we visited...........quite striking in the red. Will investigate further........are they a good machine?

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Well the SB has been retired, I am now the owner of a piece of "bling". A VBM Domobar Junior has invaded our bench space. Smallest footprint I/we could find in a HX machine.............now the learning curve really begins. Had the folks and family around for my sons 14th birthday yesterday and whilst the coffees were now where near what I want to produce the feedback was it tasted as good as what they expect to be served up in the cafes. I now know that the operator (me) is the weakest link........... ::)

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Congrats on the new VBM Domobar Junior Steve

    Many happy coffee days ahead

    Quote Originally Posted by 567475741B0 link=1253832317/22#22 date=1257719351
    I now know that the operator (me) is the weakest link........... Roll Eyes

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Thanks KK, am looking forward to the experience. Am attending a coffee course at the local TAFE Thursday night. Will see how it goes, if its not what I hope for it will be down to Chris at TC or talk to a local Barista who roasts on site and I believe is very passionate about his craft, he may be interested in some private lessons on my machine :)

    Regards, Steve.

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Congrats on your purchase Mono. Must of been a relief to finally find a unit that could fit into your life. All the best...

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    Re: Is there an E-61 machine with a smaller footprint?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757C6D6D74757C6D6D741D0 link=1253832317/25#25 date=1257771162
    Must of been a relief to finally find a unit that could fit into your life
    Yep, thanks HH it is, and they best part is Mrs Mono seems to be "begrudgingly" accepting of it. I have a preferred location and setup in mind...........but as they say "Rome wasnt built in a day". So I will bide my time and introduce my ideas a little later and see how I go. If it doesnt work, big deal I will be satisfied how it is.

    Regards, Steve. :)



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