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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Upgrade status appears to have changed from "if" to "when", just need to be patient ;D
    I was considering either the Giotto (looks) or VBM Domobar Junior (size)
    I had made my mind up on the VBM, as bench space for coffee toys is limited to 45x55cm in a corner, and the new M4D has claimed a bit of that already.

    Junior (son) then asked if the new machine would be good enough to make coffees for him and his bunch ride mates on a saturday morning, they could come here instead of having to park their bikes on the footpath outside the various local cafes. There are usually about a dozen that go for coffee after their 100km ride, I would expect that most of them would have milk drinks, would the VBM handle 12 coffees in a row, or should I give up a bit more bench and go for the Giotto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 434F464645457F4D554D200 link=1264995952/0#0 date=1264995952
    Upgrade status appears to have changed from "if" to "when", just need to be patient ;D
    I was considering either the Giotto (looks) or VBM Domobar Junior (size)
    I had made my mind up on the VBM, as bench space for coffee toys is limited to 45x55cm in a corner, and the new M4D has claimed a bit of that already.

    Junior (son) then asked if the new machine would be good enough to make coffees for him and his bunch ride mates on a saturday morning, they could come here instead of having to park their bikes on the footpath outside the various local cafes. There are usually about a dozen that go for coffee after their 100km ride, I would expect that most of them would have milk drinks, would the VBM handle 12 coffees in a row, or should I give up a bit more bench and go for the Giotto?
    Hi coffee mum,

    In a back to back shootout, the larger boiler of a Giotto will always be advantageous. In theory, the Giotto would take less of a hit, but in practice, its probably similar as the VBM has a larger capacity element.

    Realistically, I dont think it matters all that much. The only thing to keep in mind is that bigger boiler = more steam volume. You should be able to go back to back shots and simultaneous milk texture on either. My advice: choose the one you like ;)

    Hope that helps...

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    Hey Coffee Mum,
    I cant speak for the VBM, but the GPP will do 12 in a row without a hint of complaint, i semi-catered for a work function a while ago with 25 ppl, i made around 50 pretty much back to back without a problem, the only thing with it is the drip tray......small to say the least, this can be managed though with a plastic dish when you flush.......in march im doing coffee for a function my better half is catering for, 60 people 4 hours, and itll do it with ease......best of luck in you decision! ;)

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    Thanks Chris, I hadnt thought about the element being bigger and compensating for volume, I think Ill stick with my original choice. Now to get the other half to stop playing games and just say YES *[smiley=undecided.gif]
    Ill be in touch once he gives in (soon I hope) :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7F7B5D4444415E4946280 link=1264995952/2#2 date=1264999393
    Hey Coffee Mum,
    I cant speak for the VBM, but the GPP will do 12 in a row without a hint of complaint, i semi-catered for a work function a while ago with 25 ppl, i made around 50 pretty much back to back without a problem, the only thing with it is the drip tray......small to say the least, this can be managed though with a plastic dish when you flush.......in march im doing coffee for a function my better half is catering for, 60 people 4 hours, and itll do it with ease......best of luck in you decision! ;)
    I can speak for the VBM junior and have had to produce many coffees in a row when relatives come around and the VBM has no problems other than having to fill up the water reservoir regularly and as for looks, well beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I know Im biased but that was one reason I chose the VBM over the Giotto. The other reasons were price and footprint and not once did I ever worry about the performance of the VBM. Its reputation as well as the giotto is outstanding

    Tough choice coffee_mum. Youll be happy with either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2A293A3A21480 link=1264995952/4#4 date=1265007225
    the VBM has no problems other than having to fill up the water reservoir regularly *


    Quote Originally Posted by 2B272E2E2D2D17253D25480 link=1264995952/0#0 date=1264995952
    Junior (son) then asked if the new machine would be good enough to make coffees for him and his bunch ride mates on a saturday morning, they could come here instead of having to park their bikes on the footpath outside the various local cafes. There are usually about a dozen that go for coffee after their 100km ride,
    2 Litre reservoir might get annoying with all of those cyclists around!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5E59424A4D5F582C0 link=1264995952/5#5 date=1265011463
    2 Litre reservoir might get annoying with all of those cyclists around!
    1800/50 (assuming a 20ml flush/shot) = 36 shots...

    You should be ok ;)

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    I can feel your excitement from here coffee mum.... :D

    Those lucky bikers/cyclists. Should get them to pick up some nibblies to contribute into the mix ;).....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 182D2027130F232A2A29294C0 link=1264995952/6#6 date=1265011740
    Quote Originally Posted by 5E59424A4D5F582C0 link=1264995952/5#5 date=1265011463
    2 Litre reservoir might get annoying with all of those cyclists around!
    1800/50 (assuming a 20ml flush/shot) = 36 shots...

    You should be ok ;)
    Refilling the boiler wouldnt be any more of a hassle than reboiling the kettle when the olds lob for cups of tea. And if I need to refill the boiler after 36 shots its probably time for me to stop for a coffee anyway ;D

    Quote Originally Posted by 1B36323E335F0 link=1264995952/7#7 date=1265015072
    Those lucky bikers/cyclists. Should get them to pick up some nibblies to contribute into the mix .....
    After pedalling 100ks, no thanks :P

    Id be happy to supply some goodies to go with a coffee, and if it were to become more than an occaisional session Im sure they would make a financial contribution, after all they would pay at the cafe. The tips and advice that son picks up from these after ride sessions is of far more value than the money it would cost.

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    Re: Upgrade completed!

    You might need a couple of these


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    The Giotto will pull shot after shot and steam milk without problem. It works quicker than I do :)

    Good luck with the catering

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50574C44435156220 link=1264995952/9#9 date=1265031776
    You might need a couple of these
    Yeah, likely, 2 of those would be as much as another M4D ;D ;D ;D The bikes however, theres probalby close to 30k hanging there :D :D :D
    We have plenty of grass in the back yard, which will do our guys just fine ;)

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    [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]UPGRADE APPROVED [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

    It came in a lovely Valentines Day card. I decided on the VBM and have placed the order, now just need to juggle work to get to Chriss to pick it up. *:D :D :D

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    Awesome! Congrats! Now the wait!!, some say waiting is half the fun.....................its not >:( ;D

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    It wont be long, Chris said it will be there on Tuesday, so I am praying that the weather god is kind and lets me work tomorrow, so I can get to Melbourne on Tuesday :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7D7178787B7B41736B731E0 link=1264995952/12#12 date=1266127911
    UPGRADE APPROVED
    It came in a lovely Valentines Day card.
    Too cool.
    Happy Valentines Day Coffee Mum!

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    Congrats CM, great machine that is more than capable of a great cup, enjoy

    Steve. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4C6369740D0 link=1264995952/15#15 date=1266129230
    Too cool.
    Yeah, beats the usual 1/2 block of cadburys (my pressie to him, then he shares ;D)

    Quote Originally Posted by 406263620D0 link=1264995952/16#16 date=1266130843
    great machine that is more than capable of a great cup
    Lets hope the operator is as capable as the machine ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 616D646467675D6F776F020 link=1264995952/17#17 date=1266134644
    Lets hope the operator is as capable as the machine Grin
    Youll be fine, good guidance & practice and it will come, I am only a relative newbie and I am actually quite stoked with what I am turning out and when you have family around (yesterday) and the all comment on how much they enjoyed the coffee it certainly makes it all worthwhile.

    Steve :)

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    Thanks Steve, I think I do a fairly good job on the Silvia, I do get favourable comments from visitors and daughter prefers what she gets at home to the coffees she has when she is out, so I must be doing o.k. ;D

    Im expecting that it wont take long to get used to the new machine, a week and I should be right ;) it will be like driving a new car, the principal is the same, just feels a bit strange at first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 535F565655556F5D455D300 link=1264995952/19#19 date=1266185915
    Im expecting that it wont take long to get used to the new machine, a week and I should be right Wink it will be like driving a new car, the principal is the same, just feels a bit strange at first.
    Oh...... yeah *;) ;D I have never used a Silvia but I would imagine that the VBM is much more forgiving (read less demanding). It is certainly more temp stable once heated. If you can get great coffee from Miss Silvia, Junior (Indy?) should be a piece of cake ;)

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    Congrats coffee mum!

    I went from a Silvia to a Giotto, which is ostensibly the same leap youll be making from Silvia to VBM.

    Being able to steam milk at the same time as pulling shots makes a huge difference when making more than two coffees. Youll whip through 12 in no time.

    [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

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    Congrats from me as well. My upgrade from PIDed Silvia to Giotto was a great thing ;D

    I loved the Silvia when I had it but the Giotto really is a leap ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 754450495C111511250 link=1264995953/22#22 date=1266382545
    I loved the Silvia when I had it but the Giotto really is a leap ahead. *
    Read VBM Junior and Ill drink to that, I was worried that it would take a bit of getting used to, but after sorting out a little user error - the lever needs to go ALL the way down to activate the 3 way valve so that the puck doesnt semi explode ;D ;D ;D I was able to get a reasonable dose and pour happening within an hour.

    I was making milkshakes, so I have plugged the back steam hole to get better control over the steam for the moment, it is slower, but so am I.

    I am still not used to not having to wait for steam, need to get more organised and have the milk ready to go at the same time, but Im too busy watching the pour.

    The shots taste so much thicker and smoother, Ill definitely be drinking more black from now on.

    I am loving her already, and finding more excuses to make a coffee :D

    A special thanks to Chris at Talk Coffee he is truly a wonderful man to deal with, he was very helpful in the decision making process, pointing out the pros and cons of the various machines and giving his recomendations based on my needs(wants) and space limitations.

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    Thats a very pretty setup you have there cm... And it makes great coffee! How good is that.... 8-) ;D

    Congrats :)

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    Hi CM, looks as if it was custom built for your corner, I need to get me on of those Macaps............one day :(.

    With the "milk shakes" thats what took me the time, and I still muck up. KKs method works but you dont seem to need to take the tip out to edge of the jug to get the nice MF. Im sure you will be making "sweet bubbles" soon :)

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    Congrats cm, it looks terrific!

    Glad the coffee is good and I thank you for your kind words.

    Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 517C787479150 link=1264995953/24#24 date=1266498203
    Thats a very pretty setup you have there cm... And it makes great coffee! How good is that....

    Congrats *
    Thanks Mal, yes Im a very happy and lucky little snob ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by 587A7B7A150 link=1264995953/25#25 date=1266526725
    Hi CM, looks as if it was custom built for your corner, *
    It has taken a while to get there... Sunbeam Ristretto to Silvia & Rocky now this pair, but well worth the wait :) Hopefully this upgradeitis vaccination will be long lasting, or someone might claim justifiable homicide ;D

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F7D7C7D120 link=1264995953/25#25 date=1266526725
    I need to get me on of those Macaps............one day *
    They are a very nice looking grinder, not too big for a working kitchen, and does a great job on the beans :)
    Quote Originally Posted by 725051503F0 link=1264995953/25#25 date=1266526725
    Im sure you will be making "sweet bubbles" soon *
    The milk texturing is improving, getting more good than bad and had one great, so practice, practice, practice ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 35000D0A3E220E07070404610 link=1264995953/26#26 date=1266531776
    I thank you for your kind words.
    You are welcome, they are all thoroughly deserved.

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    I remember you buying a Gene last year about this time out of some dodgey blokes car near the Yarra too :)

    This coming year you need to aim for a 5kg commcial roaster and a commercial machine and grinders ::) Traralgon has room for good coffee on the highway for us weary travellers :)

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    Well done CM. Should I pop around the corner and inspect you new gear? I bet between us both we could now supply the neighborhood with great coffee.
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    Hi Coffee Mum,

    Not quite on the subject but for me an important question:

    Is the Macap M4D (in that great picture) so much better than the Rocky?
    I am trying to sort out if I should make the grinder leap.
    The M4D has been suggest rather than the Masser Mini e

    Does the grind clump much - my rocky clumps quite a bit

    Hope you are still reading this thread

    Of course any comments greatly appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7A7D79767E746171767F180 link=1264995953/29#29 date=1266538783
    This comingyear you need to aim for a 5kg commcial roaster and a commercial machine and grinders *
    That will be after the divorce ;D

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A7D79767E746171767F180 link=1264995953/29#29 date=1266538783
    Traralgon has room for good coffee on the highway for us weary travellers *
    Im only 500m off the highway, if anyone is passing through give a yell (via pm) and you are welcome to *drop in

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B6A716B68477175797F7D180 link=1264995953/30#30 date=1266548976
    Should I pop around the corner and inspect you new gear? I bet between us both we could now supply the neighborhood with great coffee.
    great idea, Ill send you a pm to arrange something, I already share the aroma of roasting beans with my neighbours, but it would need a strong easterly to reach your court.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7C6D75716179180 link=1264995953/31#31 date=1266549508
    Is the Macap M4D (in that great picture) so much better than the Rocky?
    I am trying to sort out if I should make the grinder leap.
    The M4D has been suggest rather than the Masser Mini e

    Does the grind clump much - my rocky clumps quite a bit
    I think that there is "more" in the cup with the Macap than the Rocky, it is also quicker and not as harsh on the ears.
    I came down to the same two grinders for size and was guided by Chris in the final decision, he also said when I picked it up "dont ring me and tell me it clumps - all doserless grinders do" It is probably on par with the rocky for clumping, the finer the grind the more it clumps. Hope that helps :)

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    One more thing for your upgrade to be complete, you need an upgraded signature ;D Enjoy the new gear, Im loving my VBM.

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    Done :D

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    Wow nice set up coffeemum! Bet you have been having fun playing with that! :)

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    I too went from a Rocky to an M4D and it truly is a step up.

    I find there is a better flavour in the cup, it is much quieter and a bit quicker, looks better--especially with that sexy blue panel, and while it does clump, the clumps are soft and all the coffee drops straight down into the basket.

    If you can afford it, I reckon it is worth the extra over a Rocky. :)

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    Clumping.... :-?

    Whats that.... :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0825212D204C0 link=1264995953/37#37 date=1266588241
    Clumping.... :-?

    Whats that.... :P

    Mal.
    Oh! There must be something wrong with your grinder Mal, they are supposed to do that........hmmm send it to me and Ill have a look for ya! Gee Im a good guy! ;D

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    ;D ;D ;D

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    hey CM and congrats on a great setup

    I too have the VBM Jnr and loving it and are a fellow Gippslander (Warragul).

    Whats your dosing and tamping technique? Have you tried the single basket?


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    Congratulations coffee mum - I can see them coming now!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 212231312A430 link=1264995953/40#40 date=1266628964
    Whats your dosing and tamping technique? Have you tried the single basket?
    Still playing around, working out both machine and grinder, but dosing & tamping as per Chriss instructions and only making one change at a time.

    I only have to drink singles when I make even numbers of drinks, odd and I get the double, so the single basket has gone straight into the spare parts and useless bits box out in the shed. Seriously considering getting another double spout & basket so that I can put an extra pair of hands to work when a crowd rocks up.

    Quote Originally Posted by 31362D25223037430 link=1264995953/41#41 date=1266635512
    I can see them coming now!
    I think that by next Saturday I should be able to handle coffees for them, though I would expect Cav would want a "cuppa tea" ;D



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