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    Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Ok ive decided its time to get a decent machine..

    Ive got the option to get a brand new Cuadra by La Nuova Era or a second hand Expobar Office E61 Leva (they are roughly the same cost)..

    I like that the Cuadra comes with 2 years warranty and most the reviews seem pretty decent..

    please help me decide snobs :)

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Id suggest the eb-61 leva. See http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1246415338

    I would have thought that new prices were similar?

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    talk.. how much do you sell the eb-61?

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Comparing to the Expobar Office Leva, the Cuadra has a bigger boiler, more Watts, and a larger water tank.

    If the prices are similar, wouldnt you rather have a brandnew machine out of the box, instead of a used machine of which you cant be sure about the machines history and no warranty?

    (Besides, I believe youre pretty close to our service center, so that would definately be a plus in my opinion :) )

    *Edit - Im not sure about the wattage actually. Some of the snobs sponsor sites mention the machine has 1250W, others say 2000W)

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Quote Originally Posted by 7345464453454559745954360 link=1280274989/3#3 date=1280281611
    If the prices are similar, wouldnt you rather have a brandnew machine out of the box, instead of a used machine
    Id rather have an old Lotus than a new Lada. ;D


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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Quote Originally Posted by 426368686F75060 link=1280274989/4#4 date=1280283175
    Quote Originally Posted by 7345464453454559745954360 link=1280274989/3#3 date=1280281611
    If the prices are similar, wouldnt you rather have a brandnew machine out of the box, instead of a used machine
    Id rather have an old Lotus than a new Lada. *;D
    Never knew Lotus and Lada produced coffee machines :D

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B7D7E7C6B7D7D614C616C0E0 link=1280274989/5#5 date=1280283449
    Quote Originally Posted by 426368686F75060 link=1280274989/4#4 date=1280283175
    Quote Originally Posted by 7345464453454559745954360 link=1280274989/3#3 date=1280281611
    If the prices are similar, wouldnt you rather have a brandnew machine out of the box, instead of a used machine
    Id rather have an old Lotus than a new Lada. *;D
    I love it! GOLD Very interesting discussion and extra entertainment for all of us to watch Site Sponsors kinda-sorta tactfully promoting their wares. The car analogy may have been better delivered using Italian (Cuadra) and Spanish (Expobar) vehicles but none the less... GOLD! ;D

    Never knew Lotus and Lada produced coffee machines *:D

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    so the Expobar then? :)

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Quote Originally Posted by 4E5E4958581E1F1C141B1F2C0 link=1280274989/6#6 date=1280287673
    tactfully
    Thats not a description I would use for Dennis. *;D

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Quote Originally Posted by 3B2E3F2A394B0 link=1280274989/7#7 date=1280288551
    so the Expobar then?
    The only Spanish car brand I know is Seat. Although its owned by VW.

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    I have a Leva and its been great from day one.

    For what its worth, I think the guy that started Expobar was Italian and started the business in Spain for the cheaper labour costs.

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Id be inclined to get a new one either way ,my second crack.

    go and see the units in the flesh at Espresso Italia if you are local. They seem to have plenty of other units range wise. Having a look is a very very good idea, I bet you wont regret it. If a friendly snob in Perth has an exobar lever they might be able to give you a dem?

    Unlike the sparse 2nd hand feedback on the Diamond brand version , the 1st hand feedback on the Cuadra seems to be positive.

    Unless you can do some testing of the Exobar or can score a warranty best save up a little tiny bit more perhaps?

    Either way I am sure it will end in some more late nights tweaking the machine ;D

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Quote Originally Posted by 417774766177776B466B66040 link=1280274989/3#3 date=1280281611
    Comparing to the Expobar Office Leva, the Cuadra has a bigger boiler, more Watts, and a larger water tank.
    [edit]Erm, nope....a tad incorrect. The eb-60 is [s]1.8L[/s] 1.5L, 2000W and nominal 3L tank as well.[/edit]

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B5E4F5A493B0 link=1280274989/2#2 date=1280281057
    talk.. how much do you sell the eb-61?
    I thought you were offered a 2nd hand one? FWIW, Id suggest $1.3-$1.5k for one in good nick. Call if you want pricing on a new one but there is no reason not to buy a pre-loved one. Drop me a line if you want to arrange for a once over on the machine.

    To correct earlier inaccuracies, the Expobar does have a 2000W element and has for the last few years. It also benefits from a 2mm stainless cover. This means that far fewer plastics were killed in the manufacture of the machine.

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F3A37300418343D3D3E3E5B0 link=1280274989/12#12 date=1280290803
    Quote Originally Posted by 417774766177776B466B66040 link=1280274989/3#3 date=1280281611
    Comparing to the Expobar Office Leva, the Cuadra has a bigger boiler, more Watts, and a larger water tank.
    Erm, nope....Incorrect on all accounts. The eb-60 is 1.8L, 2000W and nominal 3L tank as well.
    We dont sell the EB machines, so I resorted to one of the other sitesponsors sites (Jetblackespresso Product Description)

    Configuration: Single boiler with heat exchanger
    Boiler: 1.5 litres
    Power: 1250 watts
    Dimensions: 260 mm (w) x 380 mm (h) x 460 mm (d)
    Weight: 25kg
    Water tank: 2.9 litres

    So can anyone clear up the confusion ? :)


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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Quote Originally Posted by 665053514650504C614C41230 link=1280274989/13#13 date=1280291537
    So can anyone clear up the confusion ?
    http://www.talkcoffee.com.au/downloads/coffee-machines/expobar-office-eb-61-lever-flyer.pdf

    The tanks in both machines are identical.

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Quote Originally Posted by 4A7F7275415D7178787B7B1E0 link=1280274989/14#14 date=1280291913
    Quote Originally Posted by 665053514650504C614C41230 link=1280274989/13#13 date=1280291537
    So can anyone clear up the confusion ?
    http://www.talkcoffee.com.au/downloads/coffee-machines/expobar-office-eb-61-lever-flyer.pdf

    The tanks in both machines are identical.
    After some googling, the Expobar Australia site says 1.5 litres, and your pdf says 1.8 ?

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    I can confirm the element on the Office Leva is 2000W - our website has now been corrected. As for the boiler size, all the information I have states 1.5 litres.

    FWIW, weve put the office leva through our usual series of tests including scacing back to back shots. Whether it has a 2000W element inside or a 60 watt incandescent bulb keeping the water warm, I would gladly use it to brew my double ristrettos knowing that it wont burn em ...

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Quote Originally Posted by 6A4554624C41434B63414645200 link=1280274989/16#16 date=1280292635
    I can confirm the element on the Office Leva is 2000W - our website has now been corrected. As for the boiler size, all the information I have states 1.5 litres.

    FWIW, weve put the office leva through our usual series of tests including scacing back to back shots. Whether it has a 2000W element inside or a 60 watt incandescent bulb keeping the water warm, I would gladly use it to brew my double ristrettos knowing that it wont burn em ...

    charlie
    Thanks Charlie, thats one mystery solved regarding the EBL :)

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    So ends that one...

    Ive updated our .pdf file as we were linking to an old copy. I have rectified that ::)

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Quote Originally Posted by 4075787F4B577B72727171140 link=1280274989/12#12 date=1280290803
    nominal 3L tank
    "Nominal".
    In effect, the useable water is approx 2L.
    After that the low water sensor cuts off the boiler power.

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    Quote Originally Posted by 7E5140765855575F77555251340 link=1280274989/16#16 date=1280292635
    Whether it has a 2000W element inside or a 60 watt incandescent bulb keeping the water warm, I would gladly use it to brew my double ristrettos knowing that it wont burn em ...
    ;D Hey Charlie, Im supposed to be the funny guy around here! ;D

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    Re: Cuadra by La Nuova Era vs Expobar Office eb-61

    that was quite funny.. anyhow.. ;D



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