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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Well, starting as a noob a year or so ago with my single boiler Lelit Combi Im over the Moon after getting a VBM Domobar Junior the other day. Im still using the Lelits grinder as I source a grinder to better match the machine. I also need to get a 58mm tamper. Also some nice cups... etc. Might drop in on Coffe A Roma as theyre close-ish.

    Id love to hear of others experiences with this machine, Im sure there are a few of you on CS.

    Speaking of grinders, what would be a good choice? My budget would be < $500. Im thinking 2nd hand M4 or new K3P. Are the ASCASO grinders considered decent? I dont hear them mentioned a lot.

    Thanks!* :D

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    Re: moved up a notch

    Quote Originally Posted by 302C342935352F460 link=1339144009/0#0 date=1339144009
    Speaking of grinders, what would be a good choice? My budget would be < $500. Im thinking 2nd hand M4 or new K3P.
    There is a certain mazzer SJ in the for sale section at the moment. It has had some interest. But itd be perfect mate to your machine.

    Quote Originally Posted by 302C342935352F460 link=1339144009/0#0 date=1339144009
    Are the ASCASO grinders considered decent? I dont hear them mentioned a lot.
    Then maybe that is a reason to stay away from them? User support and all. But - they may be a great grinder. Im not sure.

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    I love my vbm jr I purchased from Chris at Talk coffee... (and Im in Adelaide)

    Water filtration is important.. Grinder is important.. Minimum would be compak k3,Mazzer mini or macap (havent used a macap but in the same ball park) for this machine.. Have used a friends smart grinder.. Not so good.

    Save your $$$$ until you can get one of these in my opinion.

    But its an awesome machine, barely needs a cooling flush, even after being on for a few hours..small foot print but big on features and quality..oh and doesnt it look good :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0025322D207C440 link=1339144009/1#1 date=1339149939
    There is a certain mazzer SJ in the for sale section at the moment. It has had some interest. But itd be perfect mate to your machine.
    That does look like a good option. I have inquired about a M4D in the FS section but the seller has gone quiet at the moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0025322D207C440 link=1339144009/1#1 date=1339149939
    Then maybe that is a reason to stay away from them? User support and all. But - they may be a great grinder. Im not sure.
    Yes pretty much my thinking as well, just curious.

    Quote Originally Posted by 332B2A202136440 link=1339144009/2#2 date=1339156561
    Water filtration is important.. Grinder is important.. Minimum would be compak k3,Mazzer mini or macap (havent used a macap but in the same ball park) for this machine.. Have used a friends smart grinder.. Not so good.

    Save your $$$$ until you can get one of these in my opinion.
    I also got mine from Chris. He gave me a couple of water testers which show my water to be very soft, i.e. between 0 and 25ppm or thereabouts. Not sure whether to risk using it without filtration in the long term. The grinders you mentioned are pretty much where Im at. Probably wait for a good used..

    Quote Originally Posted by 332B2A202136440 link=1339144009/2#2 date=1339156561
    But its an awesome machine, barely needs a cooling flush, even after being on for a few hours..small foot print but big on features and quality..oh and doesnt it look good*
    Im more and more happy with this machine every day. Im finally getting decent shots and even managed reasonable milk for latte tonight. First 1/2 dozen attempts were bubble bath. Looks wise... I agree. After all other factors, that was the sealer for me 8-)

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    wonder, Id be interested in your coffee making process and experiences with the Domobar Jr. Mainly singles or doubles? Dosing amounts, etc. With my current grind setting Im finding I need 18-19g in the double to get 60ml in 30sec. Cant wait to get a better grinder and really fine tune things. Im pretty sure I want a doserless with timer. What grinder are you using? Got myself a 58mm tamper today. Surprised that its not a closer fit in the pf but its obviously better than the 57mm.

    Any other Domobar owners out there care to share tips/experiences?

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    Re: moved up a notch

    Quote Originally Posted by 302C342935352F460 link=1339144009/3#3 date=1339157577
    He gave me a couple of water testers which show my water to be very soft, i.e. between 0 and 25ppm or thereabouts. Not sure whether to risk using it without filtration in the long term.
    With that level of dissolved minerals, softening is **not** an issue. If anything that might be almost too soft for the best taste.

    Unless the chlorine or sediment is an issue then even a carbon filter may not be needed.

    Greg
    ps--for too much information, search for and read "the insanely long water FAQ"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6C594E4C7C4459464A474F2B0 link=1339144009/5#5 date=1339292007
    With that level of dissolved minerals, softening is **not** an issue. If anything that might be almost too soft for the best taste.

    Unless the chlorine or sediment is an issue then even a carbon filter may not be needed.

    Greg
    ps--for too much information, search for and read "the insanely long water FAQ"
    Thanks :) will have a look. I chose that figure because the discoloration of the test swab was to my eye,* between the first colour (0) and the second (50).

    Heres a pic* :)

    Edit: this from my water supplier website
    "To minimise undesirable build-up of scale in hot water systems, total hardness (as calcium carbonate - CaCO3) in drinking water should not exceed 200 mg/L.

    The typical hardness level of water delivered in South East Waters area is between 12 45 mg/L. This means that the water being supplied to South East Water customers is considered "soft" by international standards."


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    Gday snobb,

    My coffee making process is pretty simple, 15-16 g of beans using double basket that came with the vbm jr.. I single dose my beans,and I like to use a grinder with a doser. Beans in and I stop it when beans are done.

    Either spout will do, then I play with the grind till Im getting anywhere from 30-50 mls coffee in 20-30 sec.. Dont worry about exactly 60 mls in 30 sec its just a guide.. If your pour blondes in 20 secs stop it then etc..

    Dont be a slave to the stop watch...

    Ive had mini mazzers, Sjs,* compak k3,6 and a wega 6.8 conik which is a rebadged compak k10 thats what I use now..

    Took my basket in to a coffee shop and got a stock tamp, works fine.. But did get a vst basket and Pullman tamp..Pullman tamp I love and recommend, vst basket take it or leave it.. I find no real diff..

    I would probably decease your dose to 16 g, that is plenty i find with the jr..fine up your grind ( better grinder* maybe* ;)) and pour lots of shots...

    The machine is great, would definately buy it again...but just keep making shots, the more you make the better youll get at making them.

    wonder

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    Hey thanks for that. Lots of common sense and pretty much on my wavelength. Always interesting to compare notes :)

    The simple reason Ive gone for the 19g is that Ive found its the minimum I need to be able to dose/distribute/level/tamp (with couple of settling taps in there as well). I guess I lose a little (< 1g) when I level. If I grind 16g theres just not enough ground coffee to distribute/level.

    To further explain, with the Lelit I would just measure (beans) grind/dose/tamp but with the VBM I thought Id try the above method as ably demonstrated to me, on my own machine, by Chris at TC (and every barista demo video Ive seen :) ). Im still measuring beans (just to minimise wastage). Interesting to note the manual I think suggests starting with 15-16g and 9g for the single pf. I dont think I lose much in the grinder as I tap the chute thoroughly. I do aim for the 30sec/60ml as a baseline to dial in my grind but also watch the flow of the pull and adjust.

    Im trying to source a grinder and am currently hoping to snare a used K6. Cant wait to see the difference from the Lelit grinder which I know will be significant.

    After I brought home the VBM I went through at least half of the .5kg Chris gave me (singles) then when I finally had it right, I switched to the double basket :-? Ive just bought .5kg of a local roast so I will play a little.



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