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    Revamping an unloved Saeco Royal Cappuccino in the office: What to do? No books etc

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    So there is this unused Saeco Royal Cappuccino machine in the office filled with 6mo+ manky water and stale beans. I am gonna be the office champion and get this thing up and working again (and don't want to fail).
    I plan to do a descale with citric acid powder (per this method commercial link removed per the http://coffeesnobs.com.au/general-ne...icy-rules.html) , clean out the water and beans and bin, but what else should I do or not do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NooBean View Post
    So there is this unused Saeco Royal Cappuccino machine in the office filled with 6mo+ manky water and stale beans. I am gonna be the office champion and get this thing up and working again (and don't want to fail).
    I plan to do a descale with citric acid powder (per this method commercial link removed per the http://coffeesnobs.com.au/general-ne...icy-rules.html) , clean out the water and beans and bin, but what else should I do or not do?
    Empty water reservoir and refill with clean water;

    empty out beans as much as you can with your hand. Use a vacuum cleaner to get the rest; Refill with fresh beans.

    Remove the automatic brew mechanism from the side door and wash it in the sink by hand. Run your fingers over the filters in the brew mechanism. Refit.


    remove the drip tray assembly empty and clean both grind dregs and water.

    Switch the machine on. Wait for it to go through its initialisation and if all is well it will come to some kind of "Ready" stage.

    Open the steam tap and allow the machine to draw new water from the reservoir, and flush it through the steam boiler and out the steam pipe.

    Make a coffee selection and run out no less than three black coffees, to run any old remaining grinds through and out.

    If it needs a descale it will come up on the screen as such. Only you can decide if you want to descale if the computer doesnt prompt you to do one.

    Get hold of an owner booklet, read and digest.

    If you must do a descale, DO NOT USE Common CITRIC ACID....go to a specialist esp machine store and buy an approved descsaler for use for the type of machine.

    After all that if there are no error messages, proceed to work out the grind / dose adjustment compromise to get best possible brew from the beans in use. I would set the dose to say 3/4 on the scale, and set the grind accordingly after that.

    Hope that helps.

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    Excellent! Thanks >Fresh_Coffee. Will give it a go.

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    You're welcome.

    Note that if the machine has been idle due to a service / breakdown issue, you would need to deliver it to a service agent for diagnosis and quote. That will be where you have to make a judgement call on whether it is worth fixing.

    If it works, that is a bonus.

    If it seems to collect a lot of water in the drip tray OR if more water per brew seems to go into the drip tray instead of the cup, then there will probably be a leak from the brew boiler (thermoblock), and if you leave that unattended you will eventually blow the main circuit board and possibly even a secondary, and the grinder. This is because of the build up of steam inside a leaking machine. When those things blow, any repair becomes much more expensive than it would have been if the leak had been attended to promptly.

    Hope that helps.

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    Thanks for your response. The machine apparently works but the coffee tastes awful. It looks like a simple cleanup and purge may be all that is required.

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    Yes the coffee-isti amongst us will point the bone and say the coffee tastes aweful because it is a dirty filthy automatic.......which I am afraid, is bollocks.

    Flush it through, get some good coffee beans, aDJUST THE GRIND AND DOSE for best effect, and you will get a nice cuppa even if it isnt the type of espresso you would get out of a conventional machine. Most *aweful* coffees from home use autos are still due to crap beans, wrong grind and dose, same as from any other coffee brewing method. Do it well, and get a reasonable coffee from your machine even if it is not good traditional espresso.

    My opinion is you will find firstly, that the gind is way coarse. People that dont understand espresso always adjust the grind coarse when they think the coffee is "too strong" so they try to make it milder by coarsening the grind, instead of fining the grind a bit at a time and seeing how that affects the character in the cup. The finer grind results in a greater extraction of oils from the grinds which actually SMOOTHES out the result in the cup....until you go too far the other way....and it gets nasty again. (what is the definition of " too strong" ? Strong taste, or high caffeine level ? If it is "strong taste", does that mean *strong*, or *nasty*. Nasty is usually coarse grind and inadequate dose of grinds. Also, it can mean too much liquid (too long coffee) in the cup before you add milk.

    Anyway, get into it and see how you go.

    DO NOT use any OILY beans in the auto.

    Hope that helps.

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    Revamping an unloved Saeco Royal Cappuccino in the office: What to do? No books etc

    Also, once you have followed all of that sound advice you may find that the 1st few coffees when you turn it on aren't that great. Temperature is important in these machines and need a few run through 1st, so hopefully after you give the 1st few coffees to people you don't like at work you'll be ready to give a good one to your boss and yourself.

    If you are using the auto frother, a slightly narrower tube that runs from the milk will increase the temp a little. It can be fairly luke warm with the standard hose.

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    Thanks everyone for their informative comments. I have not got to the machine yet. May do so after work tomorrow. I will be using my own roasted beans and will make sure I don't go too close to the second crack to avoid oiliness (thanks >Fresh_Coffee - was not aware of that).

    And thanks for the 3-4 cup suggestion Lasanmarcomelb! I was planning to work on the 'Boss appreciation' by keeping him well stocked with freshly brewed freshly from roasted beans.

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    So I cleaned the Royal today. I soaked the piston mechanics in hot water. Very gummy around the piston mechanics and in the hopper. It was missing the key to pull it all apart, but with a bit of manipulation I could get to most spots with a tea-towel.
    So I set the grind on the finest setting (a little impatient I know) and maxed out the coffee dose (the min is a measly 6g -how is that meant to taste good and un-watery). It produced a crema of average quality (and quite drinkable) and the pour stopped a little into the white/over extracted, but only for a few seconds. I didn't bother with the frother.
    I was reminded of the machines frequent error code where it does not know the bin is attached, but I got that sorted out (assembly sequence -Door then bin).
    It needs a descale, which I will worry about next.

    There were no leaks of any sort. Overall I am happy with the progress today. I will further optimise the espresso as I go.

    Thanks for your help CoffeeSnobs!



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