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Thread: Bezzera Domus Galatea, three years on.

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    Bezzera Domus Galatea, three years on.

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    Whilst making SHMBO her evening brew last night I noticed a few drops of water leaking from around the edge of the PF, let it cool down overnight and replaced the seal this morning (I had a spare on hand) on examining the old seal I found cracks all around the face, it was also as hard as a rock.
    With a new seal (2 minute job) everything returned to normal.
    This prompted me to dig out the receipt for the machine to check the purchase date, was quite surprised to find I bought it in October 2009, that's a little over 3 years and the first thing Iv'e had to do to it except for a daily fresh water back flush, back flushing with EVO once a week and a descale every three months.
    I'm still as happy with the Galatea as I was on the day I bought it, runs like a clock and makes great coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    .....over 3 years and the first thing Iv'e had to do to it except for ............... and a descale every three months...
    Is your water quality really bad enough to need a descale every 3 months !...or is this just "preventative maintenance"
    Do you have any pre treatment / filters ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blend52 View Post
    Is your water quality really bad enough to need a descale every 3 months !...or is this just "preventative maintenance"
    Do you have any pre treatment / filters ?
    Question one ---- yes, I live in SA
    Question three ---- preventative maintenance
    Question three B ---- no, a regular descale handles the situation nicely.

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    G'day Yelta,

    This one FYI if you haven't noticed.

    My opinion is that you would be far better to revisit 3B...

    Your choice, but just sayin' (as they say).

    Chris
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    G'day Yelta,

    This one FYI if you haven't noticed.

    My opinion is that you would be far better to revisit 3B...

    Your choice, but just sayin' (as they say).

    Chris
    Your right Chris, it is my choice and I'll stick with it
    As far as I'm concerned 90% of what's published about filtration and espresso machines is hocus-pocus/scare tactics written by those with a vested interest.
    Perhaps we need Julian Assange to come on board to winkle out the truth.

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    No probs Yelta!

    All I can say is that we get to fix 'em and I'd sooner clean toilets than descale machines.

    FWIW, I couldn't give a toss if I never sell another filter. I speak only of my first-hand experience.

    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    No probs Yelta!

    All I can say is that we get to fix 'em and I'd sooner clean toilets than descale machines.

    FWIW, I couldn't give a toss if I never sell another filter. I speak only of my first-hand experience.

    Chris
    Fair enough Chris, we all form opinions and of course have to live with the consequences if we act on them.
    If deciding whether to descale regularly or install a filter is the toughest decision I have to make in 2012 then it's been a pretty stress free year.
    Have a good Christmas.

    Cheers,

    Jon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    90% of what's published about filtration and espresso machines is hocus-pocus/scare tactics
    With regard to the relative merits of various esoteric filtration systems, perhaps. I think it's readily understandable though that regular descaling is not a sensible approach to prolong the life of a machine.

    Lets see, espresso machine internals are predominantly made of copper and brass (Stainless is a whole other, scarier, discussion).

    Descaler is a mild acid. Acid dissolves things. The most readily dissolvable component element of the alloys concerned is copper. Thats why the water that comes out of the boiler during descaling is green, and freshly descaled brass is a peachy colour. You're looking at the copper content that used to be inside your machine. Brass that has had the copper leached out of it is quite brittle, I have had backnuts for pipes literally crumble in my hand as I've tried to undo them.

    If you want to continue pouring a small percentage of your machine down the drain every 3 months, go ahead....

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffee_machinist View Post
    With regard to the relative merits of various esoteric filtration systems, perhaps. I think it's readily understandable though that regular descaling is not a sensible approach to prolong the life of a machine.

    Lets see, espresso machine internals are predominantly made of copper and brass (Stainless is a whole other, scarier, discussion).

    Descaler is a mild acid. Acid dissolves things. The most readily dissolvable component element of the alloys concerned is copper. Thats why the water that comes out of the boiler during descaling is green, and freshly descaled brass is a peachy colour. You're looking at the copper content that used to be inside your machine. Brass that has had the copper leached out of it is quite brittle, I have had backnuts for pipes literally crumble in my hand as I've tried to undo them.

    If you want to continue pouring a small percentage of your machine down the drain every 3 months, go ahead....
    I'm not in the least interested in going down the path your trying to take this CM.
    I'm more than happy with the machine, it was my cash I used to pay for it with, and, I will maintain it in any manner I choose, end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Have a good Christmas.

    Cheers,

    Jon.
    You too Jon. All the best!

    C

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    I bought it in October 2009, that's a little over 3 years and the first thing Iv'e had to do to it except for a daily fresh water back flush, back flushing with EVO once a week and a descale every three months.
    I'm still as happy with the Galatea as I was on the day I bought it, runs like a clock and makes great coffee.
    ...as interesting as I find the above posts ... just to get back on topic a little...

    3 years of great coffee and this was the first part replacement (and a consumable really) then I think you are doing pretty well.

    Over that time the machine hardware cost you something like $3-$4 a day and the longer it runs the cheaper that figure is... so an initial big price tag is actually a reasonable cost when you factor the lifespan of the good gear and great coffee. Nice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    ...as interesting as I find the above posts ... just to get back on topic a little...

    3 years of great coffee and this was the first part replacement (and a consumable really) then I think you are doing pretty well.

    Over that time the machine hardware cost you something like $3-$4 a day and the longer it runs the cheaper that figure is... so an initial big price tag is actually a reasonable cost when you factor the lifespan of the good gear and great coffee. Nice!
    Thanks for the positive comments Andy, my feelings exactly.

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    Annual report time.

    Five years since initial purchase, Status Quo maintained, the machine is running just as well as when I bought it, no major issues in the past 12 months.

    Cost per day based on initial price down to $1.53 per day, I'm still happy.
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    Can't wait to say this about my Mitica in five years time! Only problem so far is that the hot water wand is way too loose for my liking and the nut above the steam wand needs tightening. Otherwise loving the Bezzera quality!

    Have you had any thoughts about taking the 50% and buying a brand new one?
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    Also, have you adjusted yours from factory settings at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwcalder05 View Post
    Can't wait to say this about my Mitica in five years time! Only problem so far is that the hot water wand is way too loose for my liking and the nut above the steam wand needs tightening. Otherwise loving the Bezzera quality!

    Have you had any thoughts about taking the 50% and buying a brand new one?
    Morning MWC, pleased to hear your enjoying your Mitica, the specs are pretty much the same as the Galatea, very good machines.

    Re the 50% trade in deal, of no interest to me, the Galatea does everything I need and does it very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwcalder05 View Post
    Also, have you adjusted yours from factory settings at all?
    No, have not had to touch it, I believe Bezzera Australia set them up before shipping to retailers, regardless, temp seems very stable, makes coffee that suits our taste and the results are repeatable shot after shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Cost per day based on initial price down to $1.53 per day, I'm still happy.
    Cheaper than a mug of truckstop instant coffee every second day!

    ...and makes you wonder why more people don't "invest" in good espresso gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Cheaper than a mug of truckstop instant coffee every second day!

    ...and makes you wonder why more people don't "invest" in good espresso gear.
    I guess the initial outlay would stop a lot of people, not everyone has the ready cash to outlay $3.5k on coffee gear, however to them that do, go for it, I've always been a believer in the adage "buy once cry once" in other words you get what you pay for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwcalder05 View Post
    Only problem so far is that the hot water wand is way too loose for my liking and the nut above the steam wand needs tightening. Otherwise loving the Bezzera quality!
    Hey MW, the Mitica and the Domus Galatea should be identical. Just out of curiosity, why do you want the hot water wand stiff?

    If you want to make it super stiff you can try pulling down on the arm (when it's cold of course) with two hands and apply a decent amount of force. This will make the little rubber seal the ball rests on wrap a few millimetres more onto the ball by stretching over it. It doesn't ruin it or anything. It will make it feel a lot tighter.

    I did this to my steam & hot water arm when I was servicing the seals myself & I personally don't like it tight. I pushed it back in and only pulled on it just enough to keep it how i like it . It Will take you less than 10 seconds to do. If it's too loose that's when you will see little droplets leak from the ball joint.

    Also, by the nut above the steam wand do you refer to the large 6 sided nut that easily comes off? It should never be more than hand tight. The larger seal that rests on the top of it rarely need replacing & is cheap, but over tightening makes it buldge under pressure & develop cracks and tears. If it is leaky & needs a little extra tightening that shouldn't hurt it too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post

    Cost per day based on initial price down to $1.53 per day, I'm still happy.
    This is how we should all be thinking. Well done Yelta.

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    ImageUploadedByTapatalk1417643934.038357.jpg

    My favourite prosumer machine to work on so far: the Bezzera Galatea. What a beauty! I'm going to set an Expobar Leva next to it on the bench today and work on both of them (build quality very similar in armour, anyway: heavy, tech friendly panels). And see who wins a shot off contest

    Both machines are about the same age and use with a nod towards the Galatea for being cared for better. Must be those volute rolls. It really is artsy-looking.

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    Not my favourite prosumer machine to work on- by a long shot. Wait 'til you need to set an OPV.

    They're built like a tank and very reliable though.

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    Addendum: it was out front waiting to go back to the bench and three people asked if it was for sale

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Not my favourite prosumer machine to work on- by a long shot. Wait 'til you need to set an OPV.

    They're built like a tank and very reliable though.
    Boy, no kidding! Setting the OPV sucked - terrible design!

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    Bet the tech's at Bezzera can do it with their eyes closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Bet the tech's at Bezzera can do it with their eyes closed.
    I can do it with my eyes closed; burned my fingers on the boiler though

    (I burn my fingers and forearms on everything anyway)



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