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    Rocket Appartamento

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    Appartamento, a compact espresso machine designed for environments where space is at a premium. Rocket engineers optimised the chassis and layout of the internal components without compromising on the quality and features you expect from Rocket Espresso. Availability, March/April 2016- I'm unsure if this is coming to Australia..


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    How cuuute!

    What are its dimensions Chris? Similar to the Lelit Mara?

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    Very nice!
    Are there more pictures and more info available?
    Price tag?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckny View Post
    Very nice!
    Are there more pictures and more info available?
    Price tag?

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    Not yet Chris- but I'd assume that it will be less than the Plus V3. As a complete guesstimate (and given that Rocket gear will be increasing in price, I'd guess a RRP in the mid-highish $2k mark?

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    Thanks for the fast answer!

    I have heard rumors talking about an upgraded R58 as well. Vesuvius like, thoughts were around pressure profiling, etc.
    Did you hear anything on that end? Just curious ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckny View Post
    Thanks for the fast answer!

    I have heard rumors talking about an upgraded R58 as well. Vesuvius like, thoughts were around pressure profiling, etc.
    Did you hear anything on that end? Just curious ;-)
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...ight-host.html

    I think this is the one you're looking for
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    @SniffCoffee Thanks a lot! Wow ... that machine looks really great (feature and design wise). Any info on when it will be on the market (Europe, USA, Australia)? Pricing seems to be Vesuvius like (a bit higher of course but comparable to the LM Linea Mini).

    Any real word experiences? Any attendees of the HOST in Milano?

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    Hi Chris! Is there any sharper date on when these may arrive?

    Thanks Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greeny03 View Post
    Hi Chris! Is there any sharper date on when these may arrive?

    Thanks Gary
    Hi Gary,

    The sharpest I can currently offer is Q3 2016.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Hi Gary,

    The sharpest I can currently offer is Q3 2106.

    Cheers

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    Wow!! 90yr wait!! That's extreme! I had a laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Wow!! 90yr wait!! That's extreme! I had a laugh.
    Be patient!
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    As per our sponsor post, on the bench tomorrow and now available for demo.

    This thread for any discussion from owners and prospective owners.
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    First request Chris - can you post a picture of it on your bench to see its size in comparison to other machines like the Giotto / Alex etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SniffCoffee View Post
    First request Chris - can you post a picture of it on your bench to see its size in comparison to other machines like the Giotto / Alex etc?

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    Will do Sniff,

    It will be up beside the Domobar junior and Giotto EVO

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    Nice looking machine that
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    Quote Originally Posted by herzog View Post
    Nice looking machine that
    Sure is, very spiffy indeed...

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    Pix quick and dirty against the usual suspects- just after it hit our demo bench...
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    Looks way nicer than the Vibiemme.
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    looks great, and the size is perfect for those who lack bench space for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnA View Post
    looks great, and the size is perfect for those who lack bench space for sure.
    Agreed John...

    For mine, best looking machine in the compact market. No shots yet but the steam is typical Giotto- read terrific...

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    Wow, that's one tight looking machine. If I was in the market now, rather than 12 months ago it might've made my shortlist! (And made it within my wife's expectations on benchspace...)
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    I'm going 70:30. That said, heaps of customisation at present using copper- so it's certainly contemporary.

    We went with a white demo....
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    looks good, i assume it'd be dearer than vibiemme jnr?

    Rocket Appartamento Espresso Machine Review

    And as per the link above, seems vibiemme jnr uses better parts inside (Sirai pressure stat, insulated boiler)

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    We're had quite a few of these up on the bench now and for those wondering on customisation for the side panels, it's a doddle.

    The side inserts are simple to remove and replace with anything an owner might choose: different metals, wrap, glass, different perspex, marble, you name it. I imagine that many will have a variety of different looks as time passes.

    The internal build is great and accessibility for service is absolutely fine. Internally it reminds me of Giotto Premium/Premium Plus.

    Scace has been on it and we got a walk up 94 deg after 40 minute idle which was replicated across 5 back to back shots. We then went back to work!

    One item of note which some may not be aware of is that the valves are not spring load like they are in Giotto, R58/60. The Appartamento valves simply have a grommet in the rear of the valve stems- a la VBM. You only need to stop the flow rather than force them.

    All in all, I feel that the machine has delivered everything we hoped for. Three rolled out our door with new owners yesterday and I know that at least one of the new owners frequents CS. I'm hoping we might see an owner review in the not too distant future.

    Would I have one as my own machine if I was shopping in this price range? Yes.

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    I am thinking about Appartamento versus Giotto Premium Plus V3 with PID. Both are Heat Exchange, but Giotto has a PID.
    Given the price is about $300-$400 i.e. 10-15% in favour of Appartamento, the question I have is which one to buy?
    I don't have a problem with the machine size, I have a large kitchen. I am prepared to spend extra $400 if the V3 PID will deliver better espresso or will be more reliable/longer lasting.
    So, which one makes a better espresso out of these two and which one will be more long lasting, more reliable?
    The V3 PID seems like a tried and proven product (is it?), and Appartamento is a new kid on the block.
    How long will these machines last? Service/repair costs? Any other pros and cons?
    Many thanks in advance

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    G'day a_r,

    Both are HX machines, so as such, the only benefit is that the PID in the Giotto will react more rapidly to change in temp when compared to the pressurestat in the Appartamento which will be reacting to change in pressure.

    The Giotto has an insulated boiler unlike the Appartamento and our thoughts are that the Giotto boiler is possibly a little thicker. The steam and hot water valves are different but steam quality and pressure is identical. In the cup, I'd think that the only differences will be the result of placebo effect.

    The Appartamento might have a new face, but I see Giotto Premium in the main once the covers are off. I really don't think it's a "new kid on the block" per se.

    I can't recall if you are Melbourne based, but both the Giotto and Appartamento are on our demo bench. Hope that helps...

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    Hello again. What is the optimal preheating time first thing in the morning for Appartmento and for Giotto Premium Plus PID V3 ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by acid_rider View Post
    Hello again. What is the optimal preheating time first thing in the morning for Appartmento and for Giotto Premium Plus PID V3 ???
    Same same....All e-61 HX will need circa 30 min...

    Timer? Fine so long as you have surge protection behind it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Fine so long as you have surge protection behind it
    I'd strongly recommend that this would be essential for all later generation equipment, used in home or commercial situations, given the preponderance of electronics and/or automation...

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    Are bottomless/naked portafilter available for both of these rocket models? Thanks.

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    Yes- of course! It's an e-61 machine, so any e-61 naked will fit...Naked Portafilter | Talk Coffee

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    It's gorgeous...
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    I like the front-on look of the machine, but have to admit, I'm not too keen on the perforated side panels or the plastic cup rail.

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    Agree, I'd probably swap out the side panels for chrome or something. Chris, is the plastic rail removable/swapable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotchparty1 View Post
    Agree, I'd probably swap out the side panels for chrome or something. Chris, is the plastic rail removable/swapable?
    Stainless cupguard... We're working on that as a Talk Coffee pimp option...

    Side panels- photos don't do them justice, but as mentioned above, a swap to anything you choose is simple...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Side panels- photos don't do them justice, but as mentioned above, a swap to anything you choose is simple...
    Glass infill panels would look pretty awesome I reckon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Glass infill panels would look pretty awesome I reckon...

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    Coloured/frosted would work...

    For mine, unless the insides are a work of art, better to hide 'em..

    Londinium, GS3 etc all fugly and the only glass I'd be using would need to be opaque/translucent....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    replace with marble
    Cool, totally cool!! :-D

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    Indeed...

    I can just imagine some highly polished Black Marble peeking out through those panels...

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    May I know the what pressurestat used in this Rocket APPARTAMENTO? Sirai?


    Thank you

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    It appears that the Apartamento uses a Mater domestic pressurestat. This is according to Rocket Appartamento | Talk Coffee which would be very accurate.

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    Yes- confirming Mater pressurestat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Yes- confirming Mater pressurestat.
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...erheating.html

    As per the link back in 2013. Is it still true that expobar is the only domestic one that seems reliable?

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    G'day symphonie,

    We haven't used Mater since 2013- partly because the Expobar ones work really well and they are readily available- so time will tell...

    The good thing is that domestic pressurestats are inexpensive. I guess we'll all know in a couple of years.

    The (plenty of) Appartmentos we have sold so far have been excellent in bench test and the only significant adjustments we have been making is to increase boiler pressure a little as our Scace has them running a touch cool out of the box.
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    I wished my budget could stretch to get this... certainly was in my shortlist with the VBM Jr and the Bezz BZ10. I actually like the retro holes on the side. But agreed with the plastic cup rails. They had to cut some costs somehow but still retain the Rocket soul.

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    How have the bench tests been with the Giotto v3 in comparison?

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    I've seen the Appartamento on the bench at Di Bartoli. It's a very attractive little machine. I quite like the copper coloured panel. I did wonder if cleaning the cutouts would be an issue if you get anything (e.g. coffee) in them.

    I'm a big fan of Gail's Seattle Coffee Gear reviews. Her review of the Appartamento is here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYEhmabfEfs
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    The panels are easy to remove for swapping and for cleaning



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