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    Profitec Pro 500

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    Hi All,

    As this is my first post I'll quickly introduce myself..
    I decided about a month ago that i would get a coffee machine for home, initially i was simply going to get a Breville unit, however I love to research, and i soon found this forum and have been enjoying reading the huge amount on information you all share here. Now here we are a couple of weeks later and I've decided that the Profitec pro 500 is the machine for me. I'm amazed at the build quality, however as this is stretching my budget I want to be sure I'm making the right decision for us and there is one question in the back of my mind which i was hoping someone may be able to share their thoughts on.

    I understand the Pro 500 is a HX machine and for the most part it will be used for milk based drinks but i also enjoy the odd espresso (1 or 2 a week). So my question is.. will this machine still produce a decent espresso even though its not a dual boiler?.. I know this probably sounds like a stupid question and I'm thinking it will more than likely be fine, but its a big purchase so I thought I'd just put it out there!

    I enjoy my coffee but i couldn't see myself adjusting a PID if i had one or getting that technical with the whole process. I also liked the simplicity of the engineering in a HX machine. I love what i see in the Profitec machines.. and the price jump to the Pro 700 doesn't seem justified in my situation for the odd espresso.

    I should also note that i looked at the Profitec 300 but i still kept coming back to the 500. There's something about the styling of the Profitec 300 that doesn't appeal to me and the small boilers.

    I'd really appreciate any feedback if anyone has had any experience with the Pro 500 machine.

    Thank you

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    This time last year I followed a very similar line of investigation, I bought an ECM equivalent to the Profitec 500. Not an ounce of regret despite stretching the budget. You'll love it

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    Thanks readeral I remember reading your post about your initial purchase. It was very helpful. And yes I think I just needed to hear what I already knew!
    Can I ask what grinder you ended up with?

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    No worries brono77. I ended up with a Profitec T64. It's great. I haven't owned any other grinders so can't compare for you, but it's a good match. A bit costly, but worth saving up for IMO. Took me a further 6 months before I could buy it. I have a review on it too on this site.

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    If you're in Sydney, go see JetBlack. Or wherever you are, go see a sponsor sooner rather than later. Let them pull you some shots on the machines and taste for yourself. It'll help.
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    Hi brono77.
    I own a Profitec Pro 500 and love it! Bought it from site sponser Di Bartoli, also in Sydney. They were great to deal with. Upgraded from Breville BES 900 dual boiler about 12 months ago.
    Lack of PID is not an issue for the average snob.
    As readeral said, try to get to a site sponser if reasonably close. It will be well worth the effort and will put your mind at ease.
    Good luck with the purchase.
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    Congratulations on the purchase brono77.
    I totally get why you would want to buy locally. I was going down the same path myself until the local guy back flipped on a commitment he gave me when I purchased a new grinder from him some months before the espresso machine.
    Fortunately for me I am within a reasonable drive to Sydney and so I was happy to make the trip down.
    On this site we are very fortunate to have a number of really helpful sponsers and I wouldn't hesitate to contact any one of them.
    Am looking forward to hearing your impressions of the Pro 500.
    Mal
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    Nice!

    I was originally leaning towards a Rocket machine, This would be a nice way to get a bit of both..
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDixon View Post
    Nice!

    I was originally leaning towards a Rocket machine, This would be a nice way to get a bit of both..
    Sounds like a winning combination to me! Let us know what you end of with and post a pic or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyF View Post
    The Rocket Fausto looks nice with a Profitec. Just saying...

    I got some advice that accessing the burrs for cleaning and replacement was potentially tricky on the T64.
    You remove the micrometric gear (about a minute) and then the top burr carrier (allow another minute to be on the safe side). And voila, as if by magic, you have access to both burrs. Perhaps the guy giving you advice was planning to do it via the bottom of the grinder?


    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyF View Post
    The Fausto has some real speed to it.
    Indeed, but the Pro T64 is faster. (eg grinding 21 grams for a 30 second double shot we had our demo grinders set as follows: 10.5 seconds on the Fausto versus 7.5 on the Pro T64).

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyF View Post
    It's super accurate of putting coffee into the centre of the basket.

    I went with black, but there is a chrome version as well.

    I'm really happy with my decision to buy the Pro 700.
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    That should probably read "Spouse"...
    There are some very snobby female CSers here too you know.

    Mal.
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    Hi All,

    It's been about a month now since getting myself the pro500 which I paired with a quamar Q50 so I thought I'd just give a quick update incase anyone was in a similar position to me when I was researching.
    As I've said before I can't compare this equipment to other machines so this is just an opinion from a novice with no prior experience with any coffee machines.
    Firstly I have to say I'm very very happy with my purchase. I admit I did a fair amount of research on the equipment and the art of making great espresso before I got my hands on it but I always had a small fear that I may not be able to produce decent espresso. I was surprised and very happy how quickly I was able to start pulling great shots.

    I was also concerned that the 4 hole steam tip might take a Lot of practice to get under control as it produces a lot of steam, and I must admit, it was a little tricky at first but I can now produce excellent microfoam and in what I would consider a very short time frame (I haven't timed it but I would say about 30 seconds for 2 cups)

    The built quality on the pro500 is everything I expected of a high end machine. It's a work of art and looks great in the kitchen!

    The Q50 has also been great. Don't expect the same build quality as the pro 500 in some areas but your not paying a high end price for this grinder either. Overall I'm very happy with it. It's quiet. It was very easy to dial in and I find it more than fast enough to grind a double shot. I started off weighing my shots but I soon was able to judge it by eye and to be honest I just want to enjoy the process in a relaxed fashion. I remember reading so much about grind retention and speed and timed dosing and noise levels in regard to grinders and in hindsight most of the things I was concerned about when researching turned out to be a non issue for home use. In my opinion the q50 is more than enough of a machine for someone like me and home use. Although at the end of the day I would suggest speaking to the site sponsors that contribute on this forum. They are very knowledgable, and yes it is their business to sell you equipment, but with the open and clear contributions everyone makes on this forum it would be soon obvious if their customers were not happy.

    All in all I wish I had done this years ago. It seemed like a daunting task getting a manual machine but in the end it's been very easy to get the hang of it and I developed a routine with the machine and the whole process pretty quickly.

    And most importantly the coffee is absolutely amazing!
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    brono77

    Thanks for giving us feedback about your purchase of the Pro 500. The Quamar seems to be a very good grinder at its price point. A pic or two of your set up down the track would be nice to see.

    Cheers

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    Hi again Brono77
    Great to hear that the Pro500 has lived up to your expectations.
    This brand is building up quite a good reputation.
    When I purchased mine, there wasn't a lot being said about them on this site, so it's feedback like yours together with my own happy experience, that gives me confidence in recommending this machine to those looking for buying advice in this category.
    Cheers
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    Hi Brono77
    Where in Perth did you find the Profitec? And did the dealer explain the machine or demo it?
    Thanks Johnd

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    This is a nice read. Thanks for posting.
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    I have noticed it is not just the mounts that can make a difference but also the pipes to and from the pump. If they are too stiff/badly routed/touching things they can easily transmit the vibrations and increase noise. Something you might be able to tweak on loud machines to tame them.

    Great to see some machines addressing the noise and vibration effectively.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    The quiet vibe pump on the Profitec Pro 500 is well known. The pic below shows the big rubber mounts. Great innovation and just so simple.
    First time I fired up a Pro500 I honestly thought it had a rotary pump... I just couldn't believe how quiet it was!

    I wonder if this will remind quiet for years to come. Either way, I'm amazed.

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    On the contrary I find the vibrations on my profitec 500 causes the cups to rattle away on the warming tray and the drip tray.
    Is this normal behaivour for other profitec 500 users?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charzy View Post
    On the contrary I find the vibrations on my profitec 500 causes the cups to rattle away on the warming tray and the drip tray.
    Is this normal behaivour for other profitec 500 users?
    mmm how long have you had yours for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunBarista View Post
    mmm how long have you had yours for?
    I've had mine for around 1.5 months now, and has been like this on day 1. The warming tray do have rubber grommets underneath it, as do the main feet of the machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charzy View Post
    I've had mine for around 1.5 months now, and has been like this on day 1. The warming tray do have rubber grommets underneath it, as do the main feet of the machine.
    No that's not normal behaviour for a Pro500 straight out of the box...

    I'll let the experts guide you on this, but even if it's loud it shouldn't rattle your warming tray and the cups on it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by charzy View Post
    On the contrary I find the vibrations on my profitec 500 causes the cups to rattle away on the warming tray and the drip tray.
    Is this normal behaivour for other profitec 500 users?
    I've had mine for 19 months. No rattles for me, but I also don't have more cups on the warming tray than I am going to use in any one session, probably max. of 6 at a time.

    Cheers
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    I'm going to check the feet of the machine again to make sure they're planted firmly, but the benchtop seems pretty solid.
    It's pretty annoying when my 60mL tiny measuring cup rattles away from the pour and I have to start all over again.

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    I use a tea towel for my Synchronika - this one's from Aldi

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    Hi Pro 500 owners.

    Wondering what else is under the bonnet?

    Here are some pics:







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    Absolute porn.

    Thanks for the photos,
    If this doesn't seal the deal then I don't know what will; Sirai, Gigar, wrapped boiler, spring valves etc.

    All performance parts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    I use a tea towel for my Synchronika - this one's from Aldi

    What isle in Aldi do they keep the Synchronicka's ?

    :P

    Thats a beautiful set up MM !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smee View Post
    What isle in Aldi do they keep the Synchronicka's ?

    :P

    Thats a beautiful set up MM !
    They were a special buy - some of the quieter stores might still have some

    Thanks - works for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smee View Post
    What isle in Aldi do they keep the Synchronicka's ?
    The SLOW aisle because that is the only type Aldi has.

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    Profitec Pro 500

    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Absolutely GB. That's what wanted to say by didn't for fear of getting ticked off for retailers bias - yep, that happens occasionally
    I don't usually take internal pics but I think I'll change that. It's nice to show people what's under the hood.
    You're a transparent retailer.

    Not many retailers will go out of their way to take photos and dig deep into machines like you do.

    You understand value. When people are dropping this sort of cash on toys the very least a retailer should do is to spend some time and effort to thoroughly showcase what people are about to throw their hard earned cash at, may it be in detailed specs and explanations (better yet if it's from personal experience and I'm loving the fact that you always make aware of what you do at home on your home setup), photos, and if you have a showroom then at least make them coffees from the machines.

    I won't say too much, but you sir have my vote

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    A question if I may about the boiler on the Pro 500.

    Is it copper only? I'd guess that it would have to be a single tank with no seams of any sort due to the pressure it would have to withstand.

    What is the brass "end section" in the second pic?
    I presume it's separate from the boiler. Thanks.

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    I think the boiler is a tube. The ends of the boiler are brass, they are welded to the copper cylinder. The thermo syphon is a pipe that goes though the boiler and welded each side it emerges - you can see the bulge where it is reduced for the pipe fittings. This is the HX bit. most if not all 'copper' boilers have brass ends. I think for strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dumiya View Post
    I think the boiler is a tube. The ends of the boiler are brass, they are welded to the copper cylinder. The thermo syphon is a pipe that goes though the boiler and welded each side it emerges - you can see the bulge where it is reduced for the pipe fittings. This is the HX bit. most if not all 'copper' boilers have brass ends. I think for strength.
    Thanks Dumiya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    They were a special buy - some of the quieter stores might still have some

    Thanks - works for me!

    I hope ole it came with some free Aldi beans ... yumo!
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    On closer inspection it's actually an ECN Sin-chronic; on the upside it is compatible with Nespresso pods as well as the Aldi ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    Need to get me a mat I think. Been intending on it ever since I got my machine! Would solve some cup rattle issues (and tank flap issues)
    Found this in kmart:

    http://www.kmart.com.au/product/sili...FYZjvAodmg8KMQ


    Cut it to shape and cut out some of the dimples aligning with the warming tray holes for ventilation (and peace of mind), good to 250C, I'm using the offcuts as insulation on my roaster. 5 buck bargain IMO.
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    Hmm, could make a handy tamping mat perhaps
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    Just like with the Rocket convo previously, I think I prefer a stainless faceplate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Black is the new black. Here's the new full stealth Profitec Pro 500:
    Looks like it's wearing a gimp suit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    ....happy days - this first full stealth Pro 500 is now heading my way. That's just what I need to downsize from my Pro 800
    And just like that, another hat bites the dust

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    Much happy drinking there Listen4Life. Enjoy!
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    How well will the powder coated drip tray stand up to scratches long term? That'd be my main worry.

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    Not very. You can sharpen a knife on the ceramic on the bottom of a coffee cup. Powdercoat has no channce long term. Easy touch up though.
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    You could get the drip tray coated in black rubber or taking it to the next level, you could get all the high wear surfaces enamelled like the old stoves.
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    I have some rubber spray that are normally used to coat rims of the car tyre rims. Wonder if that will work on the drip tray/warming tray to reduce vibrations/wear and tear?
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    HX machines with SS boilers struggle...
    Some data/research to support that statement?

    I cannot see any thermodynamic reason that a satisfactory SS HX (and boiler around it) cannot be manufactured.
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    Hi Al,
    The rationale comes straight from the Aus importer. The standard machine overseas has a SS boiler. The importer wasn't happy with the thermal performance so specified a brass boiler for the Aus version.
    Ok-so that explains it then.

    Would appear that it's just that Profitec has submitted their assignment without completing their homework on how to manufacture a satisfactory stainless HX boiler which performs well.

    I would have thought the boiler would be copper rather than brass for reasons of health and safety.

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    Yes the boiler on the Aus spec Pro 500 is Copper - so no need to worry about lead Listen4Life. And while the SS boiler performs fine, the Copper boiler was our preference which is why we specced it. Similar to the Mater/Sirai pressure stat decision we took - in favour of the Sirai.

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    Hi Al,
    The rationale comes straight from the Aus importer. The standard machine overseas has a SS boiler. The importer wasn't happy with the thermal performance so specified a brass boiler for the Aus version.
    I don't think the reason for a copper boiler here in Australia is to do with thermal stability.

    Issues with Copper V Stainless are: cost and easy of manufacturer and repair, perceived health issues, tolerance to different water quality and overall longevity.

    The EU is rightly or wrongly seeing a move towards stainless boilers.

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    Interesting post from this site
    Why Brass Or Copper Boilers In The Coffee Espresso Machines Are Considered To Be The ?Best Choice?? - CoffeeForums Coffee Facts

    This from Why Brass Or Copper Boilers In The Coffee Espresso Machines Are Considered To Be The “Best Choice”?


    Q: Why brass or copper boilers are considered to be the “best choice”?

    A: 1. Heat efficiency. Due to its EXTRAORDINARY THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY and THERMAL CAPACITY, brass gets hot much faster and keeps heat much longer than aluminum and stainless steel. 2. Anti-corrosion resistance. Even though brass getting the thin film of the oxidized layer on the outside surface it doesn't get corroded inside. Aluminum oxidizes very fast, corrodes internally and doesn't keep the right temperature that the Espresso extraction requires. 3. Health benefits. Copper is considered to be one of the most effective antibacterial metals. In ancient times, people used surgical instruments produced from the copper because of its bactericidal properties. The scientific research shows that some life treating bacteria like E.coli survives on the copper surface only for the few hours when it takes 34 days to die on stainless steel. In Italy it is prohibited to use aluminum in the food processed industry. You can find aluminum and stainless steel boilers on cheap espresso machines produced mostly in Asian countries where the health regulations are not strict. All commercial machines are equipped with brass or copper boilers. There are some Espresso machines for home use like Lelit, Brugnetti, Daltio, Expobar, La Scala, Rancilio, Isomac, LaPavoni that have brass boiler inherited from their commercial cousins.



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