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    Appartamento vs Domobar Junior + No Appartamento's for sale used

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    I'm looking at purchasing an entry level HX machine to upgrade from my em7000.
    I like the price of the VBM Domobar Junior but i like the look and brand of the rocket appartamento.

    Is there a reason no appartamentos are for sale on gumtree or on coffeesnobs? I understand it is a relatively new model but still.

    Do you have any recomendations on which to go for with +$250 for the rocket appartamento?

    Should I shell out the extra for the Giotto Tipo V? (What is this giotto premium everyone is talking about, an older model?)

    Alsp, should I be looking at anything else around the 2.5K mark? Not keen on the nuova

    Would love a profitec 500 but too exy.

    Cheers guys! Appreciate the help
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    What about the ECM Barista? Better price for you?

    Does the Bezzera Magica still exist?

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    I was looking at the ECM Barista but I couldn't find a tonne of info on it. recommend it over the domobar?
    Thanks

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    May pay to call Casa Espresso about a Izzo Vivi PID. Great build, to me looks nice, and PID with shot timer (will either love it or not care I guess). Antony may be able to get it closer to your $2500 budget.

    Bezzzera Magicia no longer being made
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    You could also look at an Isomac Tea or an Expobar Leva. Personally I would go for the Domobar jr over those, but then I prefer the Rocket over the Domobar. That is just personal preference though. Both the Ticket and Vibiemme have better build quality than the Isomac and Expobar, and that's what you're really paying for. You will probably see this if you check out these machines in the flesh.

    Good luck with the search!

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    This same question was discussed recently - https://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-e...vs-rocket.html

    The Vibiemme Domobar Junior was highly recommended a while back but there have been questions raised regarding its long term (5 years +) durability. See reply #20 in link above.

    With the large number of these machines sold there is lots of feedback from users on-line. I suppose you need to weigh up feedback v suggestions of in-built design flaws.

    The Rocket Appartmento is a newer design from a reputable company so maybe this needs to be taken into account.

    Profitec Pro 500 is highly regarded in this category although priced a bit higher. EOFY sales may yield a good deal?

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    Would love a profitec 500 but too hexy.
    What does 'hexy' mean?

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    oops meant exy

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    This same question was discussed recently - https://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-e...vs-rocket.html

    The Vibiemme Domobar Junior was highly recommended a while back but there have been questions raised regarding its long term (5 years +) durability. See reply #20 in link above.

    With the large number of these machines sold there is lots of feedback from users on-line. I suppose you need to weigh up feedback v suggestions of in-built design flaws.

    The Rocket Appartmento is a newer design from a reputable company so maybe this needs to be taken into account.

    Profitec Pro 500 is highly regarded in this category although priced a bit higher. EOFY sales may yield a good deal?
    Wow I can't believe I didn't find this. I even searched first. Thanks CafeLotta. I appreciate it. I'll give it a read

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    Quote Originally Posted by science-teacher View Post
    Wow I can't believe I didn't find this. I even searched first.
    The search function in this forum doesn't seem to give the best results.

    After a suggestion posted here some time back I now use Google with "Coffeesnobs + .............."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    The search function in this forum doesn't seem to give the best results.

    After a suggestion posted here some time back I now use Google with "Coffeesnobs + .............."
    Now I suppose my main query is rocket appartamento vs giotto tipo V?
    My understanding is the giotto tipo v is the equivalent to the giotto premium everyone mentions?

    I don't really care about PID, apart from that I can't tell a huge difference.

    After I make that decision I will factor in the ECM Barista, Izzo Vivi and ECM mechkanica slim

    I think rocket has me hooked though

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveD View Post
    You could also look at an Isomac Tea or an Expobar Leva. Personally I would go for the Domobar jr over those, but then I prefer the Rocket over the Domobar. That is just personal preference though. Both the Ticket and Vibiemme have better build quality than the Isomac and Expobar, and that's what you're really paying for. You will probably see this if you check out these machines in the flesh.

    Good luck with the search!
    Thanks mate. I'm thinking of passing on expobar and VBM at the moment due to comments on quality

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    The ECM Mechanika V Slim seems interesting and is around the right price. Itís fairly new so I havenít heard much about it on this forum, but thereís a big thread about it on the UK Coffee Forums.

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    There's no substitute really for getting yourself to a dealer and seeing these machines in action. Too many forum opinions will just confuse you in the end. There are a couple of dealers in the Brisbane area. Google is your friend here.
    If I can throw a little known HX machine into the fray, Fracino Cherub. I saw one in use at a car boot sale and was really impressed. At a fraction under 2k and with a dealer in Brisbane, could be worth looking at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erimus View Post
    There's no substitute really for getting yourself to a dealer and seeing these machines in action. Too many forum opinions will just confuse you in the end. There are a couple of dealers in the Brisbane area. Google is your friend here.
    If I can throw a little known HX machine into the fray, Fracino Cherub. I saw one in use at a car boot sale and was really impressed. At a fraction under 2k and with a dealer in Brisbane, could be worth looking at.
    Unfortunately I live pretty far inland central Queensland and don't make it to Brisbane. Definately on the list when i do go though. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by science-teacher View Post
    Now I suppose my main query is rocket appartamento vs giotto tipo V?
    My understanding is the giotto tipo v is the equivalent to the giotto premium everyone mentions?

    I don't really care about PID, apart from that I can't tell a huge difference.
    rocket-specs.jpg

    Does that help? From what i remember when looking at Rockets is the Appartamento vs Giotto and Mozzafiato Tipo V (all vibe pumps) was that the Appartento was slightly noisier, but nothing to be super worried about and no PID. I'd care over the PID if was visible and had shot timer function. Personal choice but i'd take toggle/levers (ECM or Bezzera) or rotary knobs as thats what i like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mb21 View Post
    rocket-specs.jpg

    Does that help? From what i remember when looking at Rockets is the Appartamento vs Giotto and Mozzafiato Tipo V (all vibe pumps) was that the Appartento was slightly noisier, but nothing to be super worried about and no PID. I'd care over the PID if was visible and had shot timer function. Personal choice but i'd take toggle/levers (ECM or Bezzera) or rotary knobs as thats what i like.
    Thanks mate, that does help. Wondering how there couldn't be more of a difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by science-teacher View Post
    Unfortunately I live pretty far inland central Queensland and don't make it to Brisbane.
    Although not really a substitute for seeing machines in the flesh, sometimes you can pick up information from videos that you won't in text.

    YouTube may be a good place to start -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yDyFi0UsE8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaYFHhi-rek

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqOqSzXCGqk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfxY-NEqIBI

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    Agree i thought the same thing about ECM models as when you compare like for like pumps, i.e. vibe or rotary, there isn't really much difference at all. It seems to come down to aesthetics regarding price. When i look at say Appartmento vs say Mozzafiato (personally don't like Giotto) i can understand the price increase as body panels may cost more but not to the difference that they are.
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    Appartamento vs Domobar Junior + No Appartamento's for sale used

    We have one hard to get machine available that may be an option . An ECM Tecnika with a vibe pump. Normally all the Tecnikas have rotary pumps here in Oz. I contacted the importer on Saturday he mentioned he had one vibe Tecknica available that we have on hold until Tuesday.
    Extra interesting is that they will supply the machine with the standard rotary taps OR swap (for me) to the toggles if a customer wanted.
    A vibe Tecknica with toggles.... Thats worth thinking about

    Contact us if interested.

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    My friend has a vibe technika that antony serviced recently. Makes fantastic coffee. He barely uses it so he'd probably sell it if you were interested in second hand

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    Reading this thread with interest as I’m in the pre-purchase research phase. Looking at entry level E61 HX machines and the Domobar Jnr was high on my list. There’s also a number of nice options in the $2k region.

    For a few hundred $$ more there’s whole other set of quality options like the Apartmento. My question is what’s the main difference between these two price levels? i.e. what’s the main benefit of spending the extra $400 odd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcachon View Post
    My question is what’s the main difference between these two price levels? i.e. what’s the main benefit of spending the extra $400 odd?
    Generally its a case of you get what you pay for. The extra dollars at this price range normally buys you better design/componets, possibly more up to date design and maybe extra features. The quality of finish usually goes up with the price also.

    The Domobar Jr is an older design and seems to have fallen out of favor due to long term durability issues and labor intensive repair costs due to layout of internals. Do your research but most of the machines mentioned are of high quality and will give good service. Check for EOFY deals.
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    Thanks CL. Been doing a bit more research. Seems a lot of small upgrades across a number of areas dictates the difference between the $2k machines and the 2.5k. Some cosmetic, others more functional. I like the YouTube videos from Whole Latte Love. They get into a lot of detail.

    Expobar Office Leva looks a great value machine. Another that caught my eye was the Cime co-01. Seems a decent kit for the coin. Not a lot of info online though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcachon View Post
    Expobar Office Leva looks a great value machine. Another that caught my eye was the Cime co-01. Seems a decent kit for the coin.
    Some brands hold their value better than others. Trends can play a part too. Think about how long you plan to keep this purchase and whether resale value is important to you. Scanning the used machine market can give you a feel for what does and doesn't hold its value and if you can be bothered following them, how quickly they sell.

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    Buying a new machine would be more long term investment for me so re-sale value not the highest priority. No doubt its easier to move a 2nd hand Bezzera, Rocket, ECM etc. Also make its harder to by a good 2nd hand one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcachon View Post
    Buying a new machine would be more long term investment for me so re-sale value not the highest priority. No doubt its easier to move a 2nd hand Bezzera, Rocket, ECM etc. Also make its harder to by a good 2nd hand one.
    I picked up a 2nd hand Pro 500 from JetBlack and couldn't be happier. It's a wonderful machine and despite originally looking at cheaper machines I'm so glad I didn't. For me it's long term investment, and I want to be looking at the machine I wanted everyday, not some stand-in that gives me upgraditis. I also upgraded from a Sunbeam, I've worked on commercial machines in the past so knew what a good machine should feel like The 500 ticks all the boxes. You could hang on for a 2nd hand one to appear, r contact them and see what they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyhakins View Post
    You could hang on for a 2nd hand one to appear, r contact them and see what they have.
    I can see a couple of ex-demo models on their site right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyhakins View Post
    I picked up a 2nd hand Pro 500
    Congrats on a nice ex demo pickup. I picked up my profitec pro 500 new but Iím happy with that. I know if I ever decide to sell it there will be a cue for it and I wonít lose much. No plans to sell though so do my wait around for mine.
    An ex demo or used quality machine is a good idea though so hunt like a Bear for one.
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    I've been able to provide some answer to my own question about the differences between the $2k and $2.5k machines. I popped into Coffee Machine Specialists / Barazi here in Brisbane to look at a few. Seeing them side by side you really notice the difference in fit and finish. Machines like the Isomac Tea and Expobar Leva look a little rough aroudn the edges (literally) compared to the likes of the Bezerra Mitica, Profitect Pro 500 etc. Its fair to assume this external quality difference is also an indicator of whats inside too.

    I did have the Expobar Leva high in the list but after chatting with them its sounds like its repairs are quite challenging, mainly due to the internal layout. This would bump up the long term cost of ownership and eat into any up front saving. I've also dropped the Domobar Junior based on feedback in the other threads.

    Interestingly they had a Cime co-11 on display. Came across as a very well built machine at the price. A shame they didn't have the co-01 there as this is one I'm considering. Its qulaity reflects that of the little cousin then it should be a very noce machine.

    My list is narrowing down to the following

    Cime co-01*
    Bezzera Mitica/Magica
    Bezzera Domus Galatea
    Rocket Apartamento*
    ECM Barista*

    * yet to be viewed in the flesh

    While I would love to add the Profitec Pro 500 to that list. Unfortunately the lowest price I've seen is around $2800 which is too much of a budget stretch.

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    Maybe checkout Crema Coffe Garage in Stafford(Brisbane)for the Barista and Mechanika Slim and also talk to them about your issues with the VBM Junior which they also sell. I found the Junior to be a very well finished and built machine, very well set out internally with a lot of quality parts used when I was looking for a HX machine recently.
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    You can go over to Coffee Machine Solutions at Windsor (Brisbane) which is not far from the Gabba I bought my ECM Mechanika at great prices and lots on display.
    They have a website which you can browse through at all of the machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GARYCAMP View Post
    You can go over to Coffee Machine Solutions at Windsor (Brisbane) which is not far from the Gabba I bought my ECM Mechanika at great prices and lots on display.
    They have a website which you can browse through at all of the machines.
    Thnx. I was going to check them out as they are the guys with a good online price for the Barista currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birkin7 View Post
    Maybe checkout Crema Coffe Garage in Stafford(Brisbane)for the Barista and Mechanika Slim and also talk to them about your issues with the VBM Junior which they also sell. I found the Junior to be a very well finished and built machine, very well set out internally with a lot of quality parts used when I was looking for a HX machine recently.
    Maurice
    Yeah, I was going to find out if they had the Rocket on display.

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    Whatever you want to buy will always be that bit more expensive than you want to pay. Sometimes you just have to make an exception, whether this be by patience and saving for a bit longer. Just get the coffee machine you really desire, then you won't have any regrets when you look back.

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    Very true words Erimus. One reason I'm glad I don't crave a high end dual boiler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcachon View Post
    While I would love to add the Profitec Pro 500 to that list. Unfortunately the lowest price I've seen is around $2800 which is too much of a budget stretch.
    I reckon you need to stretch matey because you will probably have this in your kitchen for many years so get the one you want. And once you go profi you wonít go backi!



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