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Thread: $2000 Budget (Already have grinder)

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    $2000 Budget (Already have grinder)

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    Hi all

    Had my heart set on the Breville Oracle, but the reviews have put me off a bit, Have $2000 to spend and already have a Grinder. Have had a few machines before ( Grimac Mia - Breville Dual Boiler) Currently using a Aeropress, But someone at work got a new machine and I'm enjoying the "Espresso" again. There is probably a thousand posts regarding best machine for xxxx amount, just after some opinions

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    Hi mystq, welcome. I have a few questions to help us narrow down our advice.
    What's your current grinder?
    What's your location?
    Are you just drinking straight espresso or are your adding milk etc?
    What drew you to the Oracle?
    Do you just make coffee for yourself or do you regularly have large groups you don't want to keep waiting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    Hi mystq, welcome. I have a few questions to help us narrow down our advice.
    What's your current grinder?
    What's your location?
    Are you just drinking straight espresso or are your adding milk etc?
    What drew you to the Oracle?
    Do you just make coffee for yourself or do you regularly have large groups you don't want to keep waiting?
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    Breville Smart Grinder
    Tasmania
    Long Blacks, Every now and again the odd latte
    Liked that the oracle is pretty much auto, but so many reviews about them breaking down etc
    Coffee Is just for me and the wife

    Cheers

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    The closest thing to an auto single boiler, won't break down unless you really don't look after it, fairly compact, 58mm group...

    https://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/...lelit-victoria
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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    The closest thing to an auto single boiler, won't break down unless you really don't look after it, fairly compact, 58mm group...

    https://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/...lelit-victoria
    Can I suggest a few more around that price range. Easily the Oscar II would be my preference.


    1. Nuova Simonelli Oscar II Coffee Machine

    2. Ascaso Steel DUO PID Coffee Machine


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    Welcome Mystc...

    I would suggest using the Quote Form located on the bottom of this page (and every other CS page) that goes to all CS Site Sponsors. Complete as much detail as you can, maybe with a reference to this thread, to ensure that your requirements are well understood. All of our Site Sponsors are highly reputable, professional specialist coffee retailers with many, many years of experience and well placed to tailor recommendations to your specific needs.

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    Another one to throw in for your budget, particularly if you are a milk drinker (Latte, Flat White, Cap etc) is the Expobar Office this can be had under 2k and is a very good heat exchanger machine. Not as fashionable as some but very well built and similar in function to a Grimac Mia, but without the E61, although it has a similar style/design group. Not sure what sponsor stock them be I have seen for as low as $1500 brand new.

    The other option is to look for a quality well looked after second hand E61 machine in the For Sale thread on CS or elsewhere.
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    All sorted people, got my old Grimac Mia Going again, amazing what a really good clean and descale can do
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    Actually, the Grimac is a very solid machine and worth looking after...

    Mal.
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    Plenty of money for a new grinder then
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    Indeed, a very worthwhile upgrade...

    Mal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owlee View Post
    Plenty of money for a new grinder then
    I Have the breville grinder, I find it hard to belive that a new grinder would really make "That Much" difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystq View Post
    I Have the breville grinder, I find it hard to belive that a new grinder would really make "That Much" difference
    a good grinder makes all the difference. you could be pulling amazing shots with a niche and a $400 silvia and pulling crap shots with a breville smart grinder pro and a la marzocco gs3.

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    Intrigued, grinder recommendations please

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodhouse View Post
    a good grinder makes all the difference. you could be pulling amazing shots with a niche and a $400 silvia and pulling crap shots with a breville smart grinder pro and a la marzocco gs3.
    Woodhouse is right on the money, a good grinder will make a world of difference.

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    Could go a niche, mahlkonig vario or if they’re a little too expensive look at Macap m2m, compak k3 or a Mignon. Wouldn't hesitate on buying a grinder second hand either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Owlee View Post
    Could go a niche, mahlkonig vario or if they’re a little too expensive look at Macap m2m, compak k3 or a Mignon. Wouldn't hesitate on buying a grinder second hand either.
    FWIW, I would not buy a secondhand Mahlkoenig Vario (unless you know the vendor really well) - the adjusters do not appreciate ham-fisted idiots and may be damaged beyond a simple repair. So far I have managed to get them all going, however I am getting seriously pissed off with the time consuming process - and currently I am pushed for time... The gen3 seems to be more prone to weak adjusters - another CS'r who tried my Vario then went go for a secondhand gen3 (on evilbay?) which bit him badly.

    Mind you, I treat my gear with respect. I currently have 2 gen2 plus 1 gen3 "bought new" since 2014 and they are all fine. Brilliant for espresso with a SB6910 or a DE1 (or anything in between).

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    I just upgraded or should I say SUPERSIZED my grinder from a Mazzer Mini Doser to a Compak E10, and may I say I am speechless to the difference it makes....
    Well worth the extra $'s..... I have justified spending the extra $'s by saving on making coffee at home every day for the last 10yrs.... Well worth it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by niclema View Post
    may I say I am speechless to the difference it makes....
    Yep, that's what it's all about alright - the delicious end result in the cup.

    Mal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niclema View Post
    I just upgraded or should I say SUPERSIZED my grinder from a Mazzer Mini Doser to a Compak E10, and may I say I am speechless to the difference it makes....
    Well worth the extra $'s..... I have justified spending the extra $'s by saving on making coffee at home every day for the last 10yrs.... Well worth it...
    Crikey...

    I love my Robur too.

    Everyone thinks we are mad...
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    Once you have owned a grinder for a few years and use no other it is difficult to look back to when I had the Macap M4D or before that, the Rocky.

    I did notice though with the Robur that it was very much less adjustment and I never got unexpected changes or gushers. Flavour-wise I didn't notice a lot. It is a matter of perception though and maybe trying two grinders side by side.

    The Robur also can adjust easily between Turkish/espresso/filter. The E10 will be similar.

    I don't mind taking the adjustment collar off for cleaning and it is easy to put it back to the same setpoint.

    Retention is not an issue for me. I ignore it and retention shot to shot, day to day, makes no impact I can detect on taste or pour. A big grinder though does take more coffee to dial in a coffee if the grind is much different. Often it is the same actually. I just switched from Sulawesi Blue to the CS Chinese bean and no change was necessary.
    I just count to five when grinding then thwack thwack and it is all good. If I occasionally get too much extra I will just put it back in the hopper for the next shot.

    Size is an issue in the kitchen as it makes things a bit cramped but other than that it is all good.
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