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    La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

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    I understand some fellow snobs have gone through this process of love and sweat. (slowdown, I think I have seen your name associated with this topic). I have recently bought an old Junior, and I am wondering if anybody has a pdf copy of a manual, or will I need to construct my own with the aid of digital camera as I dismantle.

    Thanks for your help
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    Hi palpitation
    what is the model number. there should be a plate on the face.
    parts diagrams
    www.coffeeparts.com.au
    www.cafeparts.com this site has better diagrams

    the main service parts in the cimbali are the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palpitation link=1206451190/0#0 date=1206451190
    I understand some fellow snobs have gone through this process of love and sweat. (slowdown, I think I have seen your name associated with this topic). I have recently bought an old Junior, and I am wondering if anybody has a pdf copy of a manual, or will I need to construct my own with the aid of digital camera as I dismantle.

    Thanks for your help
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    i just finished mine taking pics along the way. its a fairly simple machine if youre able to get everything apart without breaking things. id be glad to help however i can

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    Thanks for your help, and offers of help. I will be picking it up tomorrow I hope. I will put some photos up as I go for your entertainment! I hope the first before pictures are not too entertaining!!

    Unfortunately due to work obligations, I will not be getting my teeth into this project properly for another eight weeks, but I will be having an inital look under the bonnet.

    Palpitation.

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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    BTW, the model number is 273141
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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    Quote Originally Posted by palpitation link=1206451190/0#4 date=1206613476
    BTW, the model number is 273141
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    That sounds more like a part number or serial number than a La Cimbali model number. :-?


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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    Then perhaps the model No. is:

    Tipo: Junior/D




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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    Another view under the bonnet:


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    thats very similar to mine. looks like youre missing a few odds and ends but it doesnt look too bad. its funny the little differences in machines. i notice your frame is galvanized. mine was just painted steel. that thing looks better than mine did before i tore mine down. looks like our machines are very close in age

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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    Hi Blunt.
    Do you haveany idea what sort of vintage? I cant find a date of manufacture anywhere, but some of the info on the data plate has been rubbed off by cleaning.

    I have all the covers, which are in good condition. A couple of knobs are missing off the front, but they are generic square drive ones that should be easy to source. Do you know what that bit that is missing off the top of the boiler with a lonely looking wire is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by palpitation link=1206451190/0#11 date=1206843141
    Hi Blunt.
    Do you haveany idea what sort of vintage? I cant find a date of manufacture anywhere, but some of the info on the data plate has been rubbed off by cleaning.

    I have all the covers, which are in good condition. A couple of knobs are missing off the front, but they are generic square drive ones that should be easy to source. Do you know what that bit that is missing off the top of the boiler with a lonely looking wire is?

    Palps
    im going to guess yours is in the neighborhood of 12 years old. ive had mine 10 years and it was supposedly 2 years old when i got it. the piece on top is for the fill level. its a simple probe that the loose wire connects to and tells the machine when the boiler is full. it operates exactly like the water tank on the rear of the machine. it also looks like you need a new pressure safety valve. this will be a fun and rewarding project for you

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    Hi palpitation,
    I think Blunt (Iam from Amsterdam, so I think this is a good nick!) is right.
    the machine is aprox 12 jears old.
    If you want I can check the serial number in Italy.
    I orderd the knobs you are missing in Melbourne.
    You are missing the group handles also, But I will arrange these becouse they should be with the machine.
    If you give Kel or me your e-mail adres I wil sent you the photos I made when I was rebuilding a junior. (you know I rebuild over 10 juniors in Holland)
    I prommised to help you, and I will.
    Seeya
    Schaerer (queensland la Cimbali tech)

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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    o, uhh Palp,...
    You have a cadet grinder, I can make it a junior if you like.
    It will be a junior grinder with automatic switch off when ground container is filled.
    the difference is the size of the hopper (and the automatic switch off)
    If you want a junior bean hopper, Ive got one.

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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    Schaerer, your knowledge and generosity know no bounds.

    Regarding the grinder, I dont want to change a thing. Getting this machine was the biggest improvement I could have made. I dont really use the automatic switch off, as this would require grinding enough beans to last me a week, and the mrs is usually shouting something like "shut the **** up - I cant hear the telly" I dont know why, the old gaggia grinder was twice as loud, and half as fast on a good day. As you know, the hopper holds a kilo, but I just fill it up to about 1/3 full, which lasts a week or two. I know this is a bit long to leave beans in it for, but the variability between cups for other reasons (gaggia classic, for example) makes this a small factor. Hopefully this will change when the rebuild is complete. Having said that, the classic does produce the occasional ripper of a cup! I quite like the surprise when it happens!

    Kel has my email address, I would like to see those photos.

    Thanks again for your help.

    Palp.

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    hi Palp,
    According to Italy, the machine with your serial number is sold in 1993 or 1994.
    Rgds
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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    Coming along nicely. A bit of rust, bit of scale and disorder but entropy cannot resist the efforts of a human looking for good coffee.


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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    Hi palp,
    this is one of the juniors I rebuild for one of me mates.
    He wanted the white gauge and the cap outlet on the steamarm

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    Gday Schaerer,

    Please keep image size to a maximum of 640x480 pixels to ensure your images are easily viewable in most browsers..... avoids excessive scrolling, and can be very annoying for those of us who dont own 40" monitors :(....
    If you are unsure about how to easily resize your images,
    this link will hopefully assist :).

    Thanks,
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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    This is the inside.


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    and I bet this is the gauge you want, its on my own machine. a dubble gauge out of the M50 superautomatic.
    I have an other one I recon. The Dutchie is going to look for U

    O, and thanks for the beer and perfect coffee yesterday.


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    Nice job Schaerer.... 8-)

    How does the coffee taste or havent you got that far as yet? ;)

    Mal.

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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    Thanks Mal,
    the coffee comes out great.

    The junior rebuild I did 2 years ago, and the Bistro dt1 (for my self) 1,5 years ago.


    Thanks to palpitation I had a taste of one of the coffeesnobs blends,......
    I was realy impressed by the quality. :o ::)

    Tony

    Excellent stuff mate..... 8-)

    Would you be able to ensure that future image attachments are kept to a maximum size of 640x480 pixels please. Anything larger can be very difficult to view properly in most browsers.

    Cheers Tony,
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    Thanks Mal,
    I will keep my self to the right picture size.
    I am good with la Cimbali machines, but a little less with computers.
    rgds
    Tony

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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    First step in the reassembly:


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    3 coats of shiny wattyl


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    Nice job palp!
    This is going to be a great rebuild!
    I drop some parts in ur mailbox friday.
    I dont have time for a beer, I have to visit my new neighbours.
    I put some la Cimbali stickers and badges in it also, so you can have a look what u like the most.
    Rgds
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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    Someone had to do it!


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    Nice new pump and valve


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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    And so on:


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    Looks good palp,
    step by step its going to be a great looking machine.


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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    hey guys how are u?

    Everything looks great so far.. I stumbled upon this becuase I just picked up a Junior myself that is in need of a rebuild. Ill post some pics soon.

    One big problem it has is a calcium buildup. Does anybody know what is best to use to remove the calcium?

    Schaerer i can really use your help. I need to get plans, parts, new screws, stickers etc.

    Cant wait till shes done!

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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    Hi Candyman, regarding descaling I suggest you check out this thread and ring/email one of the site sponsors for the descaling acids.

    Have fun.

    Palpitation.

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1174998951/0



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    Hi Candyman,
    Welcome to coffeesobs!
    I will give you the exact product code from the descaling acid I use.
    Give me a day or so.
    Rgds
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    Good to see the HX back where it belongs and not mimicking genitalia.... haha

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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    What do you think of that gauge? Ugly red dot scraped off by removing front glass, scraping, refitting.


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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    Quote Originally Posted by palpitation link=1206451190/20#38 date=1216900069
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    Great pics of the restore. I just picked up the Faema E98 S1 which from what I see, is really similar to the Junior. My floaty ball bit seems to be missing and I cant tell the water level in the boiler. How do I fix that?

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    @ e-gene
    Most of the time, one of the two pipes leading from the boiler to the level glass is clogged with calcium.
    almost always the bottom one.
    Take the pressure of ur boiler,
    put the machine somewhere, were its ok to spill some water.
    take the left side panel of the machine,
    undo the small nut at the underside of the boiler.
    be careful not to damage the boiler! boiler material is not that strong.
    support the boiler connection with a pair of pliers while you undo the nut.
    Poke in that hole, if you poke through the calcium build up inside the boiler, the boiler will empty its self.

    Now try to poke through the pipe towards the levelglass, remove as much calcium you can find.

    (or you can undo the whole pipe and put it in decalcifier.)

    cheers

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    Im not sure that its calcium that causing all this cos the machine isnt really that old. But is it possible for the ball to flow into the boiler if the levels were too low?

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Gene link=1206451190/40#41 date=1216995915
    Im not sure that its calcium that causing all this cos the machine isnt really that old. But is it possible for the ball to flow into the boiler if the levels were too low?
    Never seen it, but I wouldnt think so. :-/

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    I had it a few times, the ball was stuck just under the rim of the level glass.
    If there is water in the level glass, and you only lost the ball, try to shake the machine a little.
    open the vac. valve (eddy valve) on top of the level glass and look inside maybe you can see it from there.

    if there is no water in the level glass, then its calcium.

    as far as I know,The ball can not get in the boiler.
    Never found one, and I opened lots of junior boilers

    Seeya guys

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    Re: La Cimbali Junior Rebuid

    Another question Schaerer, thanks for answering my other questions so far.

    My low water level light keeps coming on and it seems that I need to keep "reseting" it by dropping the metal funnel looking bit out and back into the water tank. Is there another way to fix it? What could be causing it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Gene link=1206451190/40#44 date=1217065795
    Another question Schaerer, thanks for answering my other questions so far.

    My low water level light keeps coming on and it seems that I need to keep "reseting" it by dropping the metal funnel looking bit out and back into the water tank. Is there another way to fix it? What could be causing it?
    My Faema E98 does that too. I assume thats normal from what Ive read. Ive heard of Cimbali Junior owners disabling the sensor to avoid the problem, but Im not sure how to do that.

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    First things first. "on topic"
    Palp, your machine looks great!
    I think you are doing a fantastic job, nice pictures also mate.

    But you can take apart a jet engine, and put it together again.
    So a la cimbali junior is a walk in the park for you.

    I am really waiting for the next pictures.

    When the machine is ready I like to try a short black or two. (and then a beer or two)
    :)

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    @ E-gene and Bill,
    Yes! That big grey sensor in the computer box of the non plumed versions.
    Had some problems with them also.
    In Europe I always put a new one in and charged the customer.
    But over here there is not so much spare parts available, so I have to take a look at them.

    At the moment all I can say is;
    it’s an “air pressure triggered switch”.
    If somebody takes the cupper “cup” at the end of the hose out of the tank,
    And he holds it up like a normal drinking cup, then some water runs into the switch.
    I think that can cause some problems with the sensitivity of the switch.
    Maybe the sensitivity is adjustable, or we can take it apart.
    I have a look at it tomorrow when I’m in the workshop.

    Newest models have feelers now so cimbali thought it was a crappy system also
    ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schaerer link=1206451190/40#47 date=1217138107
    @ E-gene and Bill,
    Yes! That big grey sensor in the computer box of the non plumed versions.
    Had some problems with them also.
    In Europe I always put a new one in and charged the customer.
    But over here there is not so much spare parts available, so I have to take a look at them.

    At the moment all I can say is;
    it’s an “air pressure triggered switch”.
    If somebody takes the cupper “cup” at the end of the hose out of the tank,
    And he holds it up like a normal drinking cup, then some water runs into the switch.
    I think that can cause some problems with the sensitivity of the switch.
    Maybe the sensitivity is adjustable, or we can take it apart.
    I have a look at it tomorrow when I’m in the workshop.

    Newest models have feelers now so cimbali thought it was a crappy system also
    ;)
    Hi Schaerer,

    I got my machine brand new. Its always needed resetting once every few days by lifting the "cup" out of the water and lowering back in. Its no big deal, just a minor criticism. Ive never held it upside down like you said, so no water could have ever got in to it. As I said, its behaved that way since new, and has been used less than 6 months. Some of the guys on alt.coffee had found a way to bypass the sensor, but I dont have the details of how they did that. I wouldnt think itd be too difficult to do though.

    Do you have any more details of the sensor used in the new Cimbalis? Would it be possible to adapt it to fit?


    Bill

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    With regards to holding it up like a cup...haha, I actually did that yesterday and the low level light went off and has not come on since.



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