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Thread: SWAP: Vintage machine for something newer

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    FS : Europiccola OR Faemina

    Hi all,

    EDIT : Changed my mind already. Who would swap? We're talking different tastes here.

    Will take pics of both. Only ONE will be sold. Will only sell to CS'er in good standing!!

    La Pavoni : price $700 + shipping
    Faemina : price $1100 + shipping. Will lower price if you don't want the naked portafilter.

    I think these prices are fair? Seems like vintage la pavs go for around $600 including shipping from Italy in unknown condition.
    Faeminas are hit or miss, there's one for sale in Australia that's $1500 but I doubt that guy will ever move it at that price.

    Long time lurker and bean buyer. I have a 1964 Faema Faemina as well as a 1971 La Pavoni Europiccola. While I love both dearly (I swap them in and out of service every couple of weeks) I find myself wanting something a little more modern.
    I would like to play around with PID's and I just cannot justify drilling a hole in either of these things.

    Both are in excellent mechanical condition, having been completely rebuilt within the last few months.


    The La Pavoni was purchased from Francesco C himself, and has had the brass sleeve modified to accept the newer shower screens.

    I have recently rebuilt it and even installed a new sight glass (which was a pain because the replacements are slightly longer).

    I have a fairly ungainly looking pressure gauge attached to it which, frankly, it doesn't really need. I still have the original screw in bung of course.
    Additionally I have brass lever pins which, yes, will wear horribly but are easily replaceable compared to the lever.


    It's still on the original elements and shows no signs of giving up the ghost.

    The base is grey hammertone and it has, shall we say, a nice patina. The chrome is excellent, as are the bakelite parts. Doesn't have the metal drip tray, comes with a black plastic one off a newer model.
    Comes with a custom made tamp that fits perfectly in the original portafilter. I have a double spout (I removed it for use) and a single basket too that I have never used.



    The Faemina I snagged on Ebay in unknown but allegedly working condition, and it leaked pretty bad from its orifices. But after a rebuild it is simply wonderful.

    It is a quite desirable model as it has MATCHING brown bakelite parts. Some of the ones from this era come with a combination!!!

    I have rebuilt it including removing and replacing the twine seal for the steam tap (with blue plumbers tape, but man, it worked well!)
    The only original seal is the gommino, because Orphan Espressos was so huge I could only get about an 18gr shot volume.
    Additionally it has a larger stainless steel spring from cafelat store. I have the original but frankly the difference is night and day.

    The only real mechanical criticism is the shower screen is getting a bit long in the tooth. The boiler gets dirty quite quickly especially if you use fellini moves.

    Similar to the La Pavoni, the base has a nice patina, although I believe it is cast aluminium and can be nicely polished. Personally I like it a lot the way it is.
    The chrome is excellent, especially considering the machine is ancient, although there seems to be some issues at the top of the group head. You don't see it when it's just sitting gloriously in your kitchen though.

    The power button is broken in half. I know you can get a replacement but it doesn't have the red dot! I have "repaired" this with grey duct tape which is not super obvious, and stops you from getting electrocuted.
    I just use the wall switch to power it on and off.

    I also have the original knock box, a bigger portafilter (holds about 18 gr but the extraction ratio is a little high for my tastes!), a Joe Frex 54mm tamp (a bit small), a 3d printed tamp I made which fits very nicely and a naked portafilter handle with a black handle from Francesco (these are not cheap hahaha).



    It would absolutely break my heart for either of these survivors to not be loved and enjoyed for another generation!!
    Last edited by doommachine; 5 Days Ago at 10:26 AM.
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    Didn't you promise pics?

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    Sorry, I'm at work. Will arrange pictures tomorrow evening.

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    I'd swap a beautiful Bezerra BZ99 for the La Pavoni. Its rebuilt, works a charm.

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    I'm not gonna lie, that's tempting.. the BZ99 is really my type of aesthetic! But I really want a manual e61 machine. Potentially the Minore for sale in the other thread will be mine!

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    Mods, I tried to make them clickable thumbs. I have failed you.

    Pics : LA PAV. In hindsight and having a look at Francescos page, I think its a late 60's, maybe '69.



    First : The ancillary parts : Tamp, 2 double portafilters (one doesnt fit the tamp), single portafilter, double spout, shower screen + gasket. I kept the latter since it was still pretty good nick.

    [image=320x200]http://i67.tinypic.com/1zmknki.jpg[/image]

    Now the machine!
    [img=320x200]http://i65.tinypic.com/2uqg2a1.jpg[/img]

    [img=320x200]http://i68.tinypic.com/2q84hsm.jpg[/img]

    [img=320x200]http://i64.tinypic.com/141k492.jpg[/img]

    [img=320x200]http://i64.tinypic.com/30jik2p.jpg[/img]


    You can see the finish missing where it would have "dripped" from factory, but being cast its not going to corrode.

    [img=320x200]http://i67.tinypic.com/s1ji9i.jpg[/img]


    Serial number :
    [img=320x200]http://i66.tinypic.com/2zh1342.jpg[/img]


    Shower screen is new :
    [img=320x200]http://i63.tinypic.com/2mnja5f.jpg[/img]


    New sight glass :
    [img=320x200]http://i66.tinypic.com/2zh1342.jpg[/img]


    Bakelite parts (surprisingly hard to get good shots of them grr)
    [img=320x200]http://i64.tinypic.com/2zin5dw.jpg[/img]

    [img=320x200]http://i64.tinypic.com/34oyl37.jpg[/img]


    Undercarriage is pretty clean. No date stamping which I'm not sure is unusual or not.
    Also note the rubber edge - this is a Francesco job
    [img=320x200]http://i68.tinypic.com/2j3o9k7.jpg[/img]


    I'll get on the Faemina after dinner.
    Last edited by doommachine; 4 Days Ago at 07:05 PM.

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    FAEMINA.


    Extra bits :
    Two portafilters, original and naked, 2 baskets, joe frex and 3d printed tamp, original spring, bunch of other gaskets and stuff from both Francesco and Orphan.

    http://i67.tinypic.com/6762xf.jpg

    Ughh she's pretty.

    http://i68.tinypic.com/141l0kx.jpg

    http://i65.tinypic.com/dp8ntl.jpg

    http://i66.tinypic.com/j14yl4.jpg

    Gotta love the pride in their town!
    http://i67.tinypic.com/qqeekz.jpg

    Brown label, in excellent condition. Better than some of the ones on Francescos site!

    http://i67.tinypic.com/2mexrpy.jpg

    Shower screen. Holes are bigger than they should be :/

    http://i66.tinypic.com/24gufc3.jpg

    Can maybe see the SS spring..
    http://i65.tinypic.com/2m5fk04.jpg


    Duct tape can fix anything and even save you from an unpleasant electric shock.
    http://i68.tinypic.com/28a46ir.jpg

    Finally, this is the extent of the chrome rot at the top of the grouphead.

    http://i67.tinypic.com/2sahs7c.jpg
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