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    Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Hip-hip-Harrar! *groan*

    Sorry, I couldnt resist such a pun! Now, Ive got bugger-all idea about cupping, and Im used to drinking lattes, but I just got my Brown Bean sample pack and had to share about this one! I decided to try it first as it had the lowest number on the label, and the most interesting name too. It was roasted to between CS9-10, and the aroma was wonderful and smooth. I made a good first shot, but the second was magic, poured like honey and looked amazing! Had a stretching funnel out of the naked p/f and crema up the ying-yang! The shot tasted incredibly clean, with a good bite but no bitterness. And then I added milk and it was fantastic, best coffee Ive had since I got my stuff. Now it might have been because I got a new pullman tamper today, Ill figure that out once I try some other stuff, but I was very impressed with this coffee. looking forward to the Peru Villa Estate, but dont want to give this one up just yet!

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B504A58070E3F0 link=1232438331/0#0 date=1232438331
    Hip-hip-Harrar! *groan*
    Funny, my family all do "The ants come marching one by one, harrar, harrar" whenever it hits the grinder at home or we are bagging the green.

    tis great coffee for sure. You did well to get it right on the second shot. Dry process, wild Ethiopian coffee is typically VERY different to what it replaced in the grinder and can take a little dialing-in.

    Bitterness? You get that in stale coffee, very hard to get it in fresh roasted unless its been cooked to death.

    Have fun with the new Pullman, the beans and your journey to coffee nirvana.

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Hi Andy, is this the same one that was on green beanbay in January? *Didnt say organic on the bag. *Just roasted some up yesterday, and sure has a good smell in the bag. *Damian.

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Just having my first cup of Harrar Harrar! now. Day 5 since roasted to a CS8-9. (Will take it to 9-10 next time now that I realise thats where Andys is at).

    Still need some dialing in on the grinder, but hey Im impressed!

    Mine is also somewhat due to the new Pullman tamper that arrived on my doorstep 30 mins ago...interesting we both christened it with some fresh Harrar! Finally, a Pullman!

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    dont quote me on that 9-10 figure, I only just got my card with this order! I know it wasnt 11 or 12, and took it to be between 9 & 10, but very unedu-ma-cated in this area.
    Oh, and the coffee it replaced was a Guatemala that was roasted to about the same level, might have been similar enough to get the good result. Either way, I cant check - Ive gone through it all :( Oh well, Im onto the Peru, which is pretty good too ;D

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Quote Originally Posted by 05000C08000F50610 link=1232438331/2#2 date=1233007976
    Hi Andy, is this the same one that was on green beanbay in January?
    Nah, the Organic Harrar at the Snobbery is from a different lot, but they pretty similar in style being longberry from the same region.

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Tried some Ethiopian Harrar at the Novocastrian January BeanBay pickup point, and wow! Dashed back to green BeanBay to buy some and had missed out by an hour or so... It was there in the morning when I left :( Thatll teach me.

    Not sure if its exactly the same batch, however the one I tried had an unreal berry/fruity explosion in the first mouthful as a piccolo latte, then settled down to a well-bodied mouth-filling coffee.

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    Dropped some of these through the grinder this morning and the aroma was intense, just as described on BeanBay. *I completely stuffed the first pour (overdosed and hence choked the machine) but the second attempt went well. *Could definately detect the bright ripe berry flavours - most enjoyable!

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B504A58070E3F0 link=1232438331/0#0 date=1232438331

    F[ch65533]You did well to get it right on the second shot. [ch65533]Dry process, wild Ethiopian coffee is typically VERY different to what it replaced in the grinder and can take a little dialing-in.

    I found it needed a couple of notches coarser on the mm. *wasted a couple of shots dialing it in. *loads of chocolate and good body in a very nice double flat white, but no real berry flavours on day 3. *probably due to roasting to CS 9-10 on the verg of RSC.

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Just finished back-to-back roasts of this one. I wanted to try a few different things, with the over all intention of emphasising the fruit (which I suppose is what I want in a good Harar!).

    Roast 1: FC began at 10:15 (197C), lowered heat and coasted to just shy of SC at 17:30 (214C).
    Roast 2: FC began at 10:15 (196C - yay for consistency!), lowered heat (but not as much) and went to the very start of SC at 18:30 (218C)

    Ill update when I taste them in a few days!

    Oh, I also picked all the quakers out of both batches (easily got 14g from the 840g total roasted weight). Im planning on cupping them alongside the normal beans.

    Cheers
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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    I tried a batch this morning after resting it for 3 days (couldnt wait any longer...). FC at approx. 12 min. (204C) and I pulled the roast just before SC 5 minutes later. CS 9.5ish.

    Normally I drink a double shot latte, but this morning I tried it straight up. I was surprised at just how much wild berry came through. :D. Very nice.

    Quite a messy bean during the roast and lost quite a bit off the initial 575g.

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Quote Originally Posted by 3E39382C3F392A3F2C23394D0 link=1232438331/9#9 date=1234325141
    quakers out of both batches (easily got 14g from the 840g total roasted weight). Im planning on cupping them alongside the normal beans.
    we still need to figure out if they are quakers or not. I found these pics good.

    http://www.hawaiicoffeeassoc.org/04pdf/GREEN%20DEFECTS%20AND%20HOW%20TO%20PREVENT%20THEM. pdf

    I think the ones coming out pale are those aged/discoloured/faded beans (as well as the occasional quaker).

    Related, a few days ago I decided to grade 300gms of the harrar longberry (just for fun!). I found: broken (at all) 57; elepahnt (as in 2 beans grown together) 1, quaker (as in wrinkly pre-roast) 2; shell 1; full black 7; squashed (like a car had run them over!) 5; discoloured 26; moldy 1; insect/diseased (any at all) 33; full sour 13; husk 8.

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    i had to adjust my grinder 2-3 notches on the mazzer mini. then on day 3 I had to move it another 2 notches (coarser)! anyone else found this bean to need drastic grinder adjustment over time?

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    Hmm, I didnt know quaker was a technical term! Guess I forgot to read up after this discussion the other day...

    I think I agree with you, Damian; the pale beans appear closest to the aged/discoloured beans (at least what I imagine theyd look like once roasted). Id be interested to see pictures of these defects once theyre roasted... but I think anyone with enough time/funding to take such detailed photos isnt going to leave such beans in the roast...

    Stu.

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Ok, we cupped the two Harar roasts yesterday...

    Just to re-cap, the two roasts were identical to FC (10:15, 197C):
    #1: pulled at 214C before SC (17:30)
    #2: pulled at 218C at beginning of SC (18:30)

    There was a slight difference in bean colour, but both were CS9 on the card.

    I intended the roasts to be more different than they ended up, but I was very surprised to find that they cupped very differently. Cupping notes to follow:


    Aroma - sweet, spice (couldnt pick it), fruit. Deeper roast had a savoury, salty note; light roast had a perfumey note, and more fruit, and I could pick out blueberry (not in darker roast).

    Flavour - lighter roast had smooth, grainy/choc sweetness, perfumey blueberry notes with a clean acid finish. Deeper roast had a very different sweetness, with strong dark-roast characteristics and a pungent, savoury note verging on bitterness. Late berry note, but no blueberries.

    We both thought the lighter roast would make a better SO, and I was really surprised that the deeper roast (which was by no means a dark roast) tasted almost over-roasted. Both were very nice to drink, by the way... but the lighter roast was far superior in terms of what I want in a Harar (ie. fruit).

    Cheers,
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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    nice update stuart.

    I just roasted 2 x 600g batches. first one went 18:30 to about CS 9 and 1 deg < SC. 2nd batch went to 20 min (slower ramp) and pulled earlier at 3 deg < SC. hoping for blueberries on one of them. will post in a few days time.

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    I used to roast occasionally for a work colleague.
    He could tell the difference between a roast stopped just on SC and one that went 30 seconds longer (into SC).
    He preferred the first one.

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Quote Originally Posted by 302E2C28263A27262028430 link=1232438331/15#15 date=1234667672
    nice update stuart. *

    I just roasted 2 x 600g batches. *first one went 18:30 to about CS 9 and 1 deg < SC. *2nd batch went to 20 min (slower ramp) and pulled earlier at 3 deg < SC. *hoping for blueberries on one of them. *will post in a few days time.

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    Very interested to hear your results, SD. Your first roast sounds almost exactly like my "deeper" roast - which didnt have much in the way of blueberries (at 3 days post-roast, anyway) - but thats not to say yours wont. Your second roast looks interesting and Id be interested to hear what kind of fruit profile it has. What were your first crack times?

    Seems like an interesting bean, anyway! We drank some of the deeper roast today as espresso (milk-based) and it was lovely. Very strong dark chocolate/cocoa, pleasant drying mouthfeel, not much in the way of fruit through milk. I think it would taste great for milk-based espresso blended with something more acidic at that level of roast. My suspicion is that the lighter roast would be a more balanced SO for milk-based espresso, but Im yet to test that out.


    One thing I may not have emphasised in my other post is how surprised I was that my deeper roast cupped like something taken well into rolling second crack in terms of those deep chocolatey notes and (pleasant) pungency. The other Harar weve used a lot is the Blue Horse, and that one handles a RSC roast nicely (though we preferred it right on SC). After cupping the Longberry, I think well be stopping this one before SC every time.

    Cheers
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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Quote Originally Posted by 585F5E4A595F4C594A455F2B0 link=1232438331/17#17 date=1234680709
    My suspicion is that the lighter roast would be a more balanced SO
    Quote Originally Posted by 585F5E4A595F4C594A455F2B0 link=1232438331/17#17 date=1234680709
    I think well be stopping this one before SC every time.
    I agree - did this one a touch into rolling SC, and it got that darker roast common taste. I will pull earlier next time.

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Very interested to hear your results, SD. Your first roast sounds almost exactly like my "deeper" roast - which didnt have much in the way of blueberries (at 3 days post-roast, anyway) - but thats not to say yours wont. Your second roast looks interesting and Id be interested to hear what kind of fruit profile it has. What were your first crack times?

    Stuart.
    day 3
    -- darker roast slightly still too dark in my opinion. *this one didnt even reach SC??? *
    -- lighter roast was better. *smooth and chocolaty with a medium body, but no fruit. *I think this batch suffered from a overly long roast time. (20min) even though it was pulled 3deg < SC.




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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    I found that a lot of the fruitiness disappeared once I added milk, and I was left with just "smooth and chocolaty" (which at the end of the day isnt so bad, but this bean has a lot more to offer). I have gone from drinking double shot regular lattes with this one to drinking piccolo lattes. Much nicer. :). Roasts pulled just before SC.

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Thanks Buschy...Ill experiment. mmm. right now in fact. the joys of working at home...

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    Mmmmm Tap Tap Tap Tap....... Hurry up and mature beans I need Harrar :D

    I really must roast less more often ::) Might try a pre SC one tonight to go with Saturdays just post SC so I can drink them overlapping. Still the ugliest roasting bean I have done so far but one of the nicer espresso ones as well.

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Quote Originally Posted by 4641454A42485D4D4A43240 link=1232438331/22#22 date=1234846953
    Mmmmm Tap Tap Tap Tap....... Hurry up and mature beans I need Harrar :D

    I really must roast less more often *::) Might try a pre SC one tonight to go with Saturdays just post SC so I can drink them overlapping. Still the ugliest roasting bean I have done so far but one of the nicer espresso ones as well.
    gday beanflying,

    how long is your ideal rest time for this one?

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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    Opened the last bag at 5 days and kept getting better to 7 or 8 then it ran out :(

    I am going to be strong this time an wait for 7 before opening but I suspect 7-10 is a good range.

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    cheers


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    Re: Ethiopian Harrar Longberry Organic

    (: this was in my brown bean sample pack too doug !

    amazing bean ! is much much different to the kenyan that was in the grinder before previously. I happened to luck it on the right setting the first go for my stovetop and it was very sweet with no bitterness at all you could taste the fruit! second attempt i tried it with milk and i could say i preferred the former although it was very smooth.

    very excited to see how this goes through in the syphon! it could finally be something to match that tembo french missionary i tried at mecca!



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