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    Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

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    Gday guys, Im looking for cupping/roasting notes on one of the starter pack beans, labelled as "El Salvador Himalaya SHG". Often Ive found the search feature of the site just doesnt seem to work, and this was no exception. Manually going through the entries I also couldnt find anything that exactly matched the description.

    I roasted this bean last night, and it was the last of the starter pack beans. I took it into rolling second crack and although the roast looked terribly uneven during the roast, it looks fine in the end. Rather tenacious chaff I found however. Im not sure what others have found, but from what I saw Im glad I did this one last, though it was a hot evening.

    Not criticism per se, but hopefully constructive feedback. Im possibly not dissimilar to many who may order the SP; relatively experienced with coffee, not very knowledgeable about S.O. and virtually no knowledge of roasting. Those who have circulated in this field for some time may know that names of beans can be interchanged and actually refer to the same bean. However for those of us new to this area it can be a little confusing.

    Can I suggest a thread, or better yet a separate folder, with the beans that are sent out in the starter pack, with subject titles precisely as described in the labels in the packs. Each thread should contain a brief description of the bean (or a link to a description), some roasting notes with a SUGGESTION on how to roast it, and finally some cupping notes on what is typically found in the cup.

    Im sure some will argue this information is on the BeanBay already, however I can honestly say that Id consider myself quite "net savy" and yet I had a very difficult time finding notes here on what was in my SP, indeed I often found information away from this site. I feel a concise summary would go a long way to easing S.O/roasting newbies into the "scene" and accelerate the educational path. Of course an even better solution may be to include the notes with each pack, however I presume this would only add to the expense of providing the SP.

    Pete

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    Re: Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

    I experienced no such problems with the "Search" tool Pete.... :-?

    Just tried a search about 30 seconds ago using keywords "Salvador Himalaya" which churned up some very useful information. Give that a go and see what you reckon,

    Mal.

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    Make sure you dont restrict the search at all and make sure you select "All Posts" as some of this info goes back almost to the inception of CoffeeSnobs.

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    Re: Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

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    Hi Pete,

    I know what you mean, *I recently and unsucessfully tried to find out about PNG Maroogype AAA on Coffeesnobs; Beanbays wiki site; Sweet Marias; and even Google. *In the end I started a thread here but only got vague info on different but possibly similar beans. *
    I now realise that I have very rare & magical beans & Ill have to save them until I have a bit more roasting experience then find out for myself * ;D * *

    I would love to see a resource like the one you suggest, but I guess it would be just one more job for what already seem like overworked people. *::)

    -Carrie *:)

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    Re: Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F2D3E3E2529074C0 link=1233535239/2#2 date=1233574068
    I now realise that I have very rare & magical beans & Ill have to save them until I have a bit more roasting experience then find out for myself * ;D
    Not something that can be easily done about this sort of situation of course but in the case of the El Salvador "Himalaya Estate" beans, theres a reasonable amount of info available.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F2D3E3E2529074C0 link=1233535239/2#2 date=1233574068
    I would love to see a resource like the one you suggest, but I guess it would be just one more job for what already seem like overworked people. *::)
    Dont know about "overworked" so much but certainly busy. There is a possibility that something may be put together in the future, maybe in the form of a "wiki"; it just comes down to the number of hours available in a day and the list of priorities that currently exist. All good things happen in time ;)....

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    Re: Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

    Thanks Mal, yeah I just noticed the default search option is posts "in the last week" hence why I wasnt getting many hits on the searches.

    I mostly still stand by what I say however. I rarely get trigger happy with this type of thing, and only after Ive experienced a situation several times do I think its fair to comment.

    Despite some years of dealing with espresso at a relatively enthusiastic level, my experience with the beans themselves was certainly from an end-point perspective. I knew different roasters and their blends, but precisely what went IN to the blends I have no idea. They certainly dont seem to be too enthusiastic to share the secret either! Even IF roasting at home led to a slightly inferior cup (and I dont want to go off on a tangent there, the emphasis was IF), personally Im still keen to continue down the path just for educational purposes alone.

    I was introduced to SO coffee through Esmarelda Especial (yes seriously, hey if youre going to do it ...!) and was amazed at this coffee. However coming back to earth somewhat, I find it absolutely enchanting to read about the true origin of the bean, and how thats reflected in the cup. Once again, I feel a concise summary of the beans provided would accelerate the educational process and be a terrific resource.

    Pete

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    Re: Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

    Quote Originally Posted by 04292D212C400 link=1233535239/1#1 date=1233557630
    I experienced no such problems with the "Search" tool Pete.... :-?

    Just tried a search about 30 seconds ago using keywords "Salvador Himalaya" which churned up some very useful information. Give that a go and see what you reckon,

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    Mal, I finally got a few moments to sit down and do a search on "El Salvador Himalaya" and it really didnt turn up much of use as defined by what I was hoping to find out at the beginning of the thread. Add "SHG" (whatever that stands for) and the search drops to SFA. Mind you, Im drinking it right now and it doesnt exactly offend so alls good, would just be nice to find out a little more.

    Pete

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    Re: Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

    Add "SHG" (whatever that stands for)
    Strictly High Grown

    However I have copied from the old wiki these notes for similar beans from El Salvador as noted below Hope it helps

    20080602 El Salvador Mirasol Estate

    A high grade, clean Central American that produces a very smooth, creamy mouthfeel followed by some acidity and a unique spicy highlight in the finish at a CS 9-10 roast. Almost a blend in a single origin!

    20080602 El Salvadore San Emilio Farm

    Unroasted Green Coffee. Heavy body, semisweet chocolate notes, maple syrup and praline/toffee. These are some of the flavors in this Pulped Natural coffee from the San Emilio farm in El Salvador. Great espresso potential here.

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    Re: Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

    The E.S. Himalaya Estate coffee is usually ranked very high in the many Cup of Excellence competitions of recent years. Dont know if they entered last year though as I couldnt find them listed.

    I love the Himalaya bean. Roasted to just the first few snaps of Second Crack(SC) for a roast duration of about 16-18 minutes it produces a beautifully balanced cup with good body, crisp acidity, some caramel, hint of tobacco and a long, kind of raisony-chocolate finish. If you take it too far into SC the tobacco notes become a taint(for me) and seem to dominate the cup a bit too much, with little of the lighter roast qualities surviving but the finish does take on a more bitter-sweet dark chocolate nature which does appeal to some. All in all, this is probably a very versatile bean and does respond quite differently to different roast profiles so is definitely worth spending some time to experiment a bit with it.

    Cheers :)
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    Re: Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

    Excellent, thanks Mal. Im still just using a modified popper with temp probe so my times are significantly shorter and Id guess I wont get the same results but this is still really useful info. I took this one well into rolling SC so will try the next batch a bit lighter and it will be interesting to compare the 2.

    Both my wife and I enjoy the whole roasting experience and once the popper dies, as it invariably will, Im guessing it will be replaced by a more permanent solution. CS has been a terrific resource in this area thats for sure.

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    Re: Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

    Ive been playing with the same El Sal at work with similar results and profile to Mal. I really like its ability to cut through milk and still show signs of pleasant acidity.

    The stuff we have at work is El Sal, Finca Himalaya and its all Bourbon varietal.

    Here is a link from C.O.E about a previous crop
    http://www.cupofexcellence.org/CountryPrograms/ElSalvador/2007Program/AuctionResults/tabid/383/ctl/FarmDetails/mid/690/ItemID/859/Default.aspx

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    Re: Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

    Quote Originally Posted by 012C282429450 link=1233535239/7#7 date=1233829373
    I love the Himalaya bean. Roasted to just the first few snaps of Second Crack(SC) for a roast duration of about 16-18 minutes it produces a beautifully balanced cup with good body, crisp acidity, some caramel, hint of tobacco and a long, kind of raisony-chocolate finish. If you take it too far into SC the tobacco notes become a taint(for me) and seem to dominate the cup a bit too much, with little of the lighter roast qualities surviving but the finish does take on a more bitter-sweet dark chocolate nature which does appeal to some. All in all, this is probably a very versatile bean and does respond quite differently to different roast profiles so is definitely worth spending some time to experiment a bit with it.

    Cheers :)
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    Just had an interesting experience with this Mal. Was away for a week so popped my roasted into the freezer and just had another shot then. Tobacco was VERY strong in the after-taste, too strong for me as a matter of fact. Id forgotten what you wrote about it, but I now see it correlates exactly with what you wrote. It was interesting that it wasnt as strong previously. Next roast will definitely be lighter.

    Pete

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    Re: Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

    Quote Originally Posted by 4E7B6A7B581E0 link=1233535239/10#10 date=1234237841
    Just had an interesting experience with this Mal. Was away for a week so popped my roasted into the freezer and just had another shot then. Tobacco was VERY strong in the after-taste, too strong for me as a matter of fact. Id forgotten what you wrote about it, but I now see it correlates exactly with what you wrote. It was interesting that it wasnt as strong previously. Next roast will definitely be lighter.

    Pete
    Its probably the only real negative with this bean Pete. For people who enjoy darker roasts this is probably not the bean that will do it for you; then again, theres probably a few CSrs out there who dont mind the dominant presence of tobacco.

    If this tobaccoiness ::) is putting you off a bit mate, Ive found that it can be tamed very nicely with a 50/50 blend of a good Indonesian or PNG bean. Still leaves plenty of character of the Himalaya to come through but the earthiness of a good Mandheling, Toroja or Lintong seems to absorb most of the tobacco and leaves you with a very smooth and tasty brew. For what its worth, you could probably try blending it with anything you have on hand so long as its not from the same immediate region.

    Cheers Pete,
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    Re: Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

    Interesting you should say that, as thats exactly what I did. Threw what remained of that batch in with a commercial blend I had and it basically just added character. Definitely got the bug so saving up for a Hottop now, but what to do, new wheels for my track bike or a Hottop to fuel the engine ;D

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    Re: Looking for notes on El Salvador Himalaya

    Thats an easy one Pete..... HotTop for sure ;)

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