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    Yummy Yemeni

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    Whilst the Sidamo Guji was good when roasted right and roast profile for that had to be spot on, the yemen bani ismail is a lot more forgiving. Roasted a batch from last years Beanbay nearly 2 weeks ago, Ive been enjoying it from last weekend and though I didnt hit the exact profile that I hoped for, the distinct yemeni flavours were still present. This morning, I slightly unintentionally underdosed and the pour was a bit quicker than Id like but no matter, the distinct flavours that I like about the yemeni were still there. Am I glad I got 5kg of this bean in the Feb beanbay! :)

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    I am a bit sad I only got 5kg ;)

    First 2 roasts have been really good, slightly better flavour from the one I dropped at the first snaps of SC rather than the one I let go about 20 seconds longer. Both really nice from about 7 days and mellowing a bit toward 14.

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Im getting great results from the Yemen Bani Isamail too, and the rock that I roasted but not ground looks just beautiful too..

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    I take mine to rolling second crack and its spicy chocolate explosion!! Used to take it only to the start of SC but it wasnt as punchy as when I took it to rolling second.
    Ah yes, the rocks. Minor inconvenience as long as it doesnt go into the grinder. I dont think itll do that much damage to the grinder even if it went through. Id be more concerned if I found a nail or part of a nail. The little rocks just gets ground with the rest of the coffee. Ive had 2 occassions when the rocks were too hard to be ground and instead of going through the burrs, they get ejected around the hopper instead. Now Ive learnt to listen out for the distinct sound of little rocks doing the pinball thing in the hopper.

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    Havent found any rocks yet just as bit of fine sand and dust from the sieve before roasting. Also having a good look after roasting for any rocks :o

    If anyone has a spare bag I could be convinced to buy it ;D

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    Hi bean flying. * How desperate are you?

    I have a bag in the coming bean bay. * If Andy is prepared to do it, I would be happy for him to substitue the yemen with equivalent dollars of something else he has around and sell you the Yemen. :)

    The catch is a black market premium of an amount of your choice donated to fair crack. [smiley=evil.gif]

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Quote Originally Posted by 3B3C38373F352030373E590 link=1236910266/4#4 date=1236948609
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    Reply #4 - 13. Mar 2009 at 23:50 Mark & Quote Quote
    Havent found any rocks yet just as bit of fine sand and dust from the sieve before roasting. Also having a good look after roasting for any rocks Shocked
    You probably havent roasted enough of them, I usually get at least one of them in every batch and rarely have one thats stone free.

    Has anyone smelled the gas given off by these beans through the one way valve bag? its truly unique! Its both Sweet and Savory, with a bit of ferment to it, and lots of wild flavours.

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Quote Originally Posted by 25262428292A222E34332235470 link=1236910266/6#6 date=1237106812
    You probably havent roasted enough of them, I usually get at least one of them in every batch and rarely have one thats stone free.
    I went through the whole bag the first time I got some and found about 8.

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Ive had 3 bags of this so far and all of them had various bits in them.
    I did the same as TG last time and went through it prior to roasting. A number of things found, so certainly check thoroughly.

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    My first 2.5kg bag only had one rock in it. Not going to drop my guard on the next two bags though.

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    Down to my last 100g or so in the hopper. First batch I did was 20 seconds into sc and I was a little disappointed. It was palatable but nothing special - so much so I contemplated selling the remaining 1.5kg. Second batch was used in a fantastic 5 bean blend with an equal mix of Colombian Supremo, Ethiopian Yirgacheffe, Indonesian Sumatra Kuda Mas Mandheling & Kenyan AA. The last kilo is as a single origin, roasted to the start of the sc and its awesome. And despite how many times Ive sifted through the roasted batch I still get the odd stone through the grinder. Fortunately they were soft enough to just crush their way through without damaging the grinder.

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    Never been too worried about small rocks or bits of concrete that I might miss but recently found half a rusty 3" nail :o prior to roasting. Glad I habitually run a small NIB magnet through the beans, just in case.... :-?

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Quote Originally Posted by 02000707040E0D610 link=1236910266/5#5 date=1236977931
    I have a bag in the coming bean bay. If Andy is prepared to do it, I would be happy for him to substitue the yemen with equivalent dollars of something else he has around and sell you the Yemen.

    The catch is a black market premium of an amount of your choice donated to fair crack.
    Mmmm Black market beans would have to taste better ;) I suspect I might have enough beans for a while current total stash is the wrong side of 50kg all up ;) If I get desperate for Yemen I will get back to you ;D

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Quote Originally Posted by 2720242B23293C2C2B22450 link=1236910266/12#12 date=1237191781
    current total stash is the wrong side of 50kg all up
    Yes I just finished reading something about sitting on a sofa counting booty!


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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Quote Originally Posted by 715A486B507A4C4F4D5A4C4C503F0 link=1236910266/3#3 date=1236944125
    I take mine to rolling second crack and its spicy chocolate explosion!! Used to take it only to the start of SC but it wasnt as punchy as when I took it to rolling second.
    Yeah! Awesome way to describe this bean - spicy, chocolate explosion!!! Mmmm, so many fond memories *::). I remember the first sip of a Yemen espresso and being so caught in the moment, feeling like having the experience of something totally new and incredible for the first time *:). It really is a remarkable bean.

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Quote Originally Posted by 393B3C3C3F35365A0 link=1236910266/5#5 date=1236977931
    I have a bag in the coming bean bay. If Andy is prepared to do it, I would be happy for him to substitue the yemen with equivalent dollars of something else he has around and sell you the Yemen.
    Is that Bag off Yemen still Available am interested
    Mick :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-/ :-/

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    I didnt take it anyway ;)

    I have been double sieving mine and so far no more than a bit of fine sand and dust but based on others well worth the time.

    Two bags to open tomorrow or the day after one just 20 seconds into SC and one to early RSC. 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 393D373F65603E353C540 link=1236910266/15#15 date=1239603873
    Is that Bag off Yemen still Available am interested
    mmmmm no. Sorry! (See title of thread.) Well, not all of it.



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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Cracked open the RSC bag this morning lots more of the chocolate and some spices but not as wild as I remember my last roasts to just on SC. SC bag opened tomorrow for a comparison. Only 6 days post roast at this stage so still a little green I suspect :)

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Quote Originally Posted by 3136323D353F2A3A3D34530 link=1236910266/18#18 date=1239759075
    Cracked open the RSC bag this morning lots more of the chocolate and some spices but not as wild as I remember my last roasts to just on SC. SC bag opened tomorrow for a comparison. Only 6 days post roast at this stage so still a little green I suspect
    BF you mean you have only smelled the coffee so far ;)

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    Not such a good boy I roast smoke my greens and drink my browns and I inhaled too :o

    :D

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    Back to a comparison between roasts.

    7 days post roast

    SC roast is slightly more acidic than the RSC more aromatic both off the grinder and post pour. Slightly less chocolate but more spices with the SC and I think the lighter roast cuts the milk better.

    Of the two for a latte the lighter roast but those wanting a bigger espresso shot maybe the RSC version :-/

    Preference for me is the lighter one as I am normally a Syphon or Latte drinker. I will be drinking both ;)

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Quote Originally Posted by 4047434C444E5B4B4C45220 link=1236910266/21#21 date=1239846453
    Preference for me is the lighter one as I am normally a Syphon or Latte drinker. I will be drinking both
    Of course you will ;D

    Keen as to try this one when it arrives :D

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    How often does this one pop up or are there other green bean sellers who get there hands on this in oz.
    Would love to sample this one, even if i could get my hands on 200g would be great in the time in between waiting on the next lot coming..

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Mick, PM me your address and Ill send some up to you - would you like it green or roasted?

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Quote Originally Posted by 4F4B4149131648434A220 link=1236910266/23#23 date=1239877051
    How often does this one pop up
    Mate I was just looking through Bean Bay one day well after the Yemen was gone and 5kg appeared in front of me. I went into BeanBay auction mode and ordered as fast as my fingers would let me *:D
    Could not believe my eyes.

    Just off to roast some now !!!!!

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    Just lucky timing on your behalf Redzone, it was a bit of a stocktake where all the odd bags of greens from the prior few sales got snuck into BeanBay. *There was a couple of most varieties that we hold to cover oops shipments etc.

    We have bought the entire shipment from the last two crops of the Bani Ismail, from time to time I get samples of other Yemens (Matari or Sanini mostly) but they are never as good as the Bani so we tend not to get them.

    Im a Yemen pig and often have a stash at the snobbery for my own use... stocks are getting low at the moment so Im also keen for the next shipment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 416E6479000 link=1236910266/26#26 date=1240719438
    Im a Yemen pig and often have a stash at the snobbery for my own use... stocks are getting low at the moment so Im also keen for the next shipment.

    :)
    I have to admit the same - though does my newness around here mean Im a Yemen piglet?? ;D

    Will definitely be getting some more when its available.

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    I got 2.5 Kg a couple of Bean Bays ago just to try it out

    Yes I like Yemen Bani very much but I have found out through taste tests that its best at around 14 - 18 days post roast

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7562637D686962363536070 link=1236910266/25#25 date=1240715460
    I went into BeanBay auction mode and ordered as fast as my fingers would let m
    >:( You didnt share with the rest of us :P

    I havnt roasted any for a few weeks so it must go on this weeks schedule. A definate reorder next time around 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 496D646467675D496D716F6D020 link=1236910266/28#28 date=1240723534
    Yes I like Yemen Bani very much but I have found out through taste tests that its best at around 14 - 18 days post roast
    Frig KK you are very patient ! I just put 15gms through the aeropress at day 2 after my first ever roast. Ok better hide it from myself ;)

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    I was considering putting up my remaining 5kg for sale as have tried several experimental roasts and not impressed yet, but waiting as long as KK suggests may be the way to go.

    I definitely dont like the unique Yemeni aromatics when roasted shy of and into first snaps of SC, either as espresso or milk-based, either opened within a few days after roasting, or allowed to rest a week or two after.

    So I have taken a batch to CS11 a week ago, and still not thrilled 8 days later.

    It has mellowed a lot over the week and its lost some of the definitive aromatics which is great. Its surviving in milk, but needs to be blended with a highly aromatic bean to add a distinctiveness back into it. Unfortunately I dont have any greens on hand that fall successfully into that category.

    Unlike the Brazil Alterosa RFA which I was guzzling down as an SO for the last few weeks, this one Im just using for the caffeine fix. Ill see how it matures over the next week, into the 14 day mark.

    For the grind at this CS11 level, Ive decided that an updosed, slightly coarser grind will provide a better flavoured shot - than a standard dose tighter grind which emphasised the dark part of the roast and marginally overwhelmed its underlying flavour.

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    CS11 is probably a little too dark Id.... :(

    Its not so much the resulting end of roast colour (not burnt of course) but the profile used to get you there that brings out the best of this style of bean. I never try to hurry these into Rolling First Crack(RFC) at all with my Corretto. Usually take it very easy up to about 120C and then gradually steepen the gradient up until the first few snaps of FC are heard, than roll back the heat as RFC starts to take off (at around 14 minutes in) so that you maintain a very slight gradient through RFC of about 1.5-2.0C/minute. Then, as RFC comes to an end, increase the gradient back up to 3.5-4.0C/minute until your hear the first few snaps of SC starting. Reduce the gradient back down again to around 1.5C/minute, SC starts to get a move on relatively quickly and once youre into a Rolling SC(RSC), take the heat off completely and allow the roll to continue for about 20-30 seconds (without added heat) and then dump and cool immediately. There shouldnt be any noticeable oil on the surface of the beans at this stage.

    I bag and seal the beans while warm and then leave for a week to ten days before cracking the bag open for the first try. You will probably notice that there will be some surface oil here an there now but not an overall coating over the beans. Make a brew and see how that tastes. If it is still a bit raw or wild, leave it for another day or two and then give it another go. It should reach a point where the wildness and strong, herbal/spicy aromatics fade into the background a little, and the fruitiness with soft spices and dark chocolate come to the fore. I even get a bit of Valencia Orange in the finish of my shots roasted this way lately and all sorts of additional complexity that just confuses the hell out of my palate but is very, very nice just the same.

    Dont give up on it yet Id.... Try this roast profile and resting/development regime and then see how you go. If you still dont like what you get in the cup, well... Maybe this bean just isnt for you. Something that is also worth trying, is to change your cooling-flush routine a little so that your brew water temperature is a couple of degrees higher than usual, say 94-95C and maybe even up to 96C. For what ever reason (I dont know really) this bean seems to brew better at a slightly more elevated temperature than the norm (in my case, 92-93C). Lots of things to try yet Id..... :)

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Just cracked the mini Popper Roasted bag of this tonight. Typical mixed looking roast for this one it seems CS8-9 average but with more oil than on the slower Hottop roasts. Currently at 7 days post roast and seems a little more muted than the slower roasts but still very drinkable and very Yemeny *8-)

    Id, based on my limited experience with this bean it needs a finer grind setting than most other beans. Personally I think I prefer it at 8-10 days much under that is still good but seems to get better at 1.5 weeks.

    Remembering of course that not all beans suit all pallettes or all brew methods. I know Andy for example doesnt think much of the esmeralda a few of us have had (bean of the year for a lot of us) but then we are manually brewing it and not putting it past an espresso machine. Yemen for example is average in a Syphon but I love it over milk :-?

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    Not always a very reliable way of discerning which bean is good, but the number of posts is usually a good rough gauge of how good a particular bean is.... and the yemen seems to be up there in post count, and in my opinion, for good reason too. Cracked open another bag one week post roast on the weekend. Pulled 4 shots out of it from the naked PF and 2 came out as close to being god-shots as youd like without actually claiming they were god-shots. Not usually keen on espresso myself (prefer milk-based) but this one...

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    Thanks for the roast tips and developmental ideas.

    Today (Day 9) I shot a ristretto and Im getting definite Chocolate at last! Im starting to actually look forward to tomorrows brew to see how it develops.

    The roast for this one had first snaps of FC at about 11:30, and first snaps of SC at about 16:20 with a pull at 18:10 for CS11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0D2A302128282D202134302C440 link=1236910266/35#35 date=1242721574
    Today (Day 9) I shot a ristretto and Im getting definite Chocolate at last!
    And I think it will just keep getting better. Personally, I tend to prefer coffees that are between 2 and 3 weeks old, and Yemen is definitely one of those!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 24050E0E0913600 link=1236910266/36#36 date=1242724301
    Quote Originally Posted by 0D2A302128282D202134302C440 link=1236910266/35#35 date=1242721574
    Today (Day 9) I shot a ristretto and Im getting definite Chocolate at last! *
    And I think it will just keep getting better. *Personally, I tend to prefer coffees that are between 2 and 3 weeks old, and Yemen is definitely one of those!
    So how do you get it to last that long and keep a record.

    At my place.. A group pops over. My stock get depleted, I roast and then start to drink it after a few days and then I am roasting again..

    Dammed hard work....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 76595052457A56595650525A525943370 link=1236910266/37#37 date=1242728882
    So how do you get it to last that long and keep a record.
    a) I have a big bag of it
    b) I have a slightly bigger roaster
    c) I roast a lot
    d) I dont sell it as an SO
    e) I hide it once its roasted ;D


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    Quote Originally Posted by 537279797E64170 link=1236910266/38#38 date=1242738514
    Quote Originally Posted by 76595052457A56595650525A525943370 link=1236910266/37#37 date=1242728882
    So how do you get it to last that long and keep a record.
    a) I have a big bag of it
    b) I have a slightly bigger roaster
    c) I roast a lot
    d) I dont sell it as an SO
    e) I hide it once its roasted *;D
    Ummmm Me thinks that I might have to employ some coffee thieves to obtain some of them there beans... ;)



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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    while we dont roast our own, we have tried many of the varieties andy sells on here and the Yummy Yemani is our absolute favourite.

    i am sure its a combination of all the dynamics, the bean, andys roasting, my equipment and my limited barista skills but hell its a fantastic bean.

    we have had friends staying from various parts of europe recently, they all raved about the Yemen, one of them, bruno, is italian and said it was one of the best coffees he had ever tasted!

    its awesome in an espresso, i find myself still licking my lips 20 mins later still soaking up the complex flavours, yet its beautifully balanced and smooth.

    in a latte or capuccino it holds its own and dominates the milky softness with its wonderful flavour without getting lost nor overpowering.

    truly our current favourite, and it was with deep disappointment that i discovered the bean bay was out of stock this week!

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    I made a long black in the Aeropress this morning as a check on progress.
    7 days post roast. Absolutely yummy, and I know from past roasts that it will only get better.
    I normally leave this one for about 14 days before using. Couldnt wait this time though.
    I love this bean.

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    Re: Yummy Yemeni

    Any idea where I can get the Yemen (Green) from please thankyou megs

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    Hi Megs, go up a couple of post here, looks like 2-3 months :) http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1243324767/19#19



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