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    Snobby Chai -  Chai Spice!

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    Im excited to announce that after nearly 12 months of trying Chai we have sourced the perfect blend of Chai Spices.

    Most of the instant chai mixes that you get in cafes are like, errr, well, umm, like instant coffee is to fresh beans!

    Now in BeanBay (should always be available) you will find what we think is the perfect mix of pure spices to make your own Chai at home. The supplier has a long history of making and selling this Chai at markets and this is the blend that they have found to work the best. I managed to stumble across this one in Nimben in November and knew it was exactly what we had been looking for.

    It contains Cinnamon Quills, Cinnamon Bark, Cardamom, Cloves, Nutmeg, Ginger, Bay Leaves, Black Pepper and Star Anise
    ...nothing but spice, no additives, no dairy, no sugar, no caffeine!

    Snobby Chai - $16 for 200g will make about 50 serves.
    http://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/ViewProduct.aspx?ID=251




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    Sounds great Andy - Ive been looking for a good chai for the new shop, though reading the directions, it takes a while to prepare. :-/

    While Im sure it would be worth the wait, do you know if it would be ok to pre-brew or make a concentrate that perhaps could be refrigerated?

    Cheers!


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    Hay there Andy, merry Christmas and happy new year. You look like youve lost weight. I will get some of this chai, the wife loves it.

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    Excuse my ignorance but what the hell is chai spice?

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    Hey all - Im interested in getting 200 grams but would be keen to do a joint order with other West Aussies as I think if we have them all come in the same pack we may be able to save on postage. Also gives us an excuse for a New Year meet-up.





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    While Im sure it would be worth the wait, do you know if it would be ok to pre-brew or make a concentrate that perhaps could be refrigerated?
    Pre-brew is certainly the way to go! The directions in BeanBay and on the packet is for making a couple of serves but what I did the other day was to make 10 times the quantity in one batch.

    10 cups of water, 10 tablespoons of Chai and simmer on the stove in a deep "wok-like" frypan. I actually reduced the mixture into a concentrate, strained through a cloth and keep it in a bottle in the fridge.

    You can then just spash a shot of the concentrate into a cup, add steamed milk and drink. I found it didnt need sugar (with good, sweet steamed milk) but others might.

    I have no idea on the shelf life of the brew but without milk it should last a long time in the fridge.

    I will get some of this chai, the wife loves it
    I bet she will like this one the best. I certainly found that the powdered instant Chais has a plastic / chemical / fake flavouring taste that I didnt like.

    ...what is chai spice?
    All the spices that you need to make the best Chai Latte!

    As above, it contains Cinnamon Quills, Cinnamon Bark, Cardamom, Cloves, Nutmeg, Ginger, Bay Leaves, Black Pepper and Star Anise.

    You can follow the directions and make a spicy Chai Latte that is caffeine-free or if you want you can make it with 50% tea / 50% spice.

    I also made some using the Ceylon English Breakfast Tea from BeanBay and it worked really well. The beauty of natural, traditional Chai is that you can play with the recipe to get something that suits your own taste.

    ...would be keen to do a joint order with other West Aussies as I think if we have them all come in the same pack we may be able to save on postage.
    The other option is just wait until the mid Jan BeanBay GREEN sale when you can freight it for $1.

    ...of course a New Year get together makes sense too!

    :)

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    The (trans-nullabor) oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.

    I shall wait for the Chai. . .

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    Hey Grendel
    My wife thinks I cant make coffee for sh!t :( so this may help redeem myself, I would go in for 200g with you

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    Sure Aus - Im likely to order in January bean bay, I can double up that order if you want 200g. As for your coffee making technique - that is what we are all here to help with!

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    Andy,

    What sort of cloth did you use to strain it with, was it just ordinary cheese cloth?

    Sounds ok, would like to try something a little different than the powdered mix I have...(although where I sourced it from isnt too bad :D)

    -Linda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda link=1230522359/0#9 date=1231118998
    Andy,

    What sort of cloth did you use to strain it with, was it just ordinary cheese cloth?

    Sounds ok, would like to try something a little different than the powdered mix I have...(although where I sourced it from isnt too bad :D)

    -Linda

    Linda,

    I cant vouch for what sort of cloth Andy uses as a strainer--but--whenever I need to strain anything like that I use a square of that nylon/terylene scrim curtaining. Its great, strong, doesnt soak up any mixture, and rinses clean easily.

    I regularly use it for making coconut milk and for steaming sticky rice.

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    I found another use for Coffeesnobs green coffee cotton bags
    :)

    ...although Gregs nylon curtains make more sense.

    Cheese cloth would be fine, you could even use a tea strainer. I guess it depends on how many "bits" are acceptable in the end result and I doubt that some spice roughage in the chai latte would matter... in fact it gives it some cred as a natural product.

    ;)


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    Utterly yummy, especially as I dont like black tea! Makes a lovely evening milk drink before bed.

    I steeped a batch for a group this evening and used a typical colander, then tea strainer, which worked well. As it wasnt at my house we didnt have steamed milk, so we followed packet directions for the stovetop. We only needed a hint of sugar (1/4 tsp per mug) to enhance the flavour.

    Thanks Andy for another quality product. My interstate guests took a quantity home in the original packaging - but not before Id surreptitiously taken out a generous few doses for myself ;D.

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    A whiff of these spices when they arrived made me want to shut the shop early and brew up a batch of syrup.

    Managed to hold out till 4 this afternoon and as you can guess, our place now smells like an exotic temple.

    Now back at the shop, texturised some of the syrup with milk, and well....this is just DIVINE!

    What a great find Andy...thankyou! :)

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    Ive had snobby chai in the shop for a couple of weeks now and the customers love it!

    It seems however that the 3 guys from India who work for me love it also!
    And are drinking more than their fair share!

    It works well refrigerated as a concentrate and i have noticed no discernible change in flavour or quality over 2 weeks, as I made 3x2 litre concentrates on the first day.

    Note though, that is very worth while simmering for 20 or more minutes (i did 20 mins on the first 30 on the second and 40 on the third batch and added some more water because of condensation) and the complexity of flavour is very much more enhanced with the longer time.
    mmmmmmmm it really is a great blend of spice.

    Craig.

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    I was around at the new Cuppacoffee cafe (say that 3x quickly!) today and Den made a chai latte for my wife and me. Absolutely delicious.

    I think it might also do well as a cold drink - water and ice with a slice of lemon, or a flavoured ice tea. I must buy some of this.

    The new shop looks great too!

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    Knocked up some concentrate today too and then whacked it in the fridge... :)

    Tried some not more than half-an-hour ago, and it is absolutely fantastic. And what an aroma throughout the household while steeping/simmering. Gonna have to get me some more of this; on a regular basis I think. Mmmm-mm.... 8-)

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    Havent had chai for years but after sampling some Snobby Chai which arrived today I can see it becoming a regular favourite. *The aroma which filled the house while simmering was extremely enticing, and when combined with well textured milk and a bit of honey I thoroughly enjoyed it.

    Thanks Andy! *:)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123C3937302721550 link=1230522358/17#17 date=1233579926
    when combined with well textured milk and a bit of honey I thoroughly enjoyed it.
    I agree Gilbert, beautiful with a dollop of natural, unblended local honey..... Mmmm [smiley=happy.gif]

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    really good option is to brew this up with the slices of fresh ginger as suggested, but also drop in a fresh chili. Its a beautiful drink for those that like an extra bit of spice, and I actually prefer it without any milk, just the chai brew. will be great on a winters day as it warms you all the way through (probably shouldnt have it on a 45 degree day...)

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    Well never had a chai in my life before but brewed one in a spare Syphon I had laying around :) Comfortably able to get 10 minutes using the burner wound down low without burning the bum of the lower globe, looking at how much water was left I guess I could have gone 15-20 minutes without to much trouble.

    Brew was really nice with good lingering after note of spices. I had a long term chai drinker around to try one as well and she normally brews with black tea and a little less milk (I used about 50/50). Going to try a bit of fresh ginger next time and a little longer steep time.



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    Its great. I had to buy 2 extra bags last BeanBay and now another friend wants one. Never has it before and cant believe how good it is.

    Chris

    ps: why am I not surprised BF ? ;)

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    I couldnt very well use one of the other Coffee syphons because of Cross Contamination issues :D

    Those Technivorms are looking good too ;)

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    Im curious if the syphon would do a good job of the Chai or if it is a little too quick?!?!

    We might have to do a side by side blind tasting one day.

    Certainly the first time I have seen it done that way.
    (trust a CoffeeSnob)

    ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0304000F070D18080F06610 link=1230522358/22#22 date=1240980319
    Those Technivorms are looking good too
    To put Snobby Chai in ? ;D

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    Just firing up my new Pavoni Lever so the Technivorm might have to wait for a month ;D

    With the Syphon the only problem is that the Chai is only getting steeped at 91-94 degrees and pushed any harder than that an the residual water in the lower globe will get boiled off over 10 minutes.

    So the main difference is that rather than high 90s it is low 90s. To counteract this a little I suppose a light extra crush in the mortar and pestle might help speed the extraction.

    Side by side cupping needed in our combined spare time ;)

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    hey sorry to bring back an oldish thread, but Im liking the sound of the Snobby Chai

    3 easy questions though (that I dont see already asked..)

    1) What would be the shelflife, do you think, of the spice mix? (probably a basic culinary question - how long would you keep a cinnamon quail for? :P) I think Id be using it fairly slowly, so if it lasts into the months thats a goodie

    2) I like the simplicity of making a concentrate, storing it in the fridge, then adding a shot of it to steamed milk.. but what method do you use to heat up the shot of concentrate? Otherwise youd have a pretty cold drink..?

    3) (aha!) what would be the shelf-life of the concentrate..?

    thanks everyone and anyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 08010D0D600 link=1230522358/26#26 date=1255496209
    1) What would be the shelflife, do you think, of the spice mix? (probably a basic culinary question - how long would you keep a cinnamon quail for? Tongue) I think Id be using it fairly slowly, so if it lasts into the months thats a goodie
    From memory, the most recent packs Ive received have use by dates of about a year from now.

    Quote Originally Posted by 08010D0D600 link=1230522358/26#26 date=1255496209
    2) I like the simplicity of making a concentrate, storing it in the fridge, then adding a shot of it to steamed milk.. but what method do you use to heat up the shot of concentrate? Otherwise youd have a pretty cold drink..?
    Once youve made the concentrate you can add a shot glass to milk and steam together. Of course, alter the amount of the concentrate you add to your preference.
    Quote Originally Posted by 08010D0D600 link=1230522358/26#26 date=1255496209
    3) (aha!) what would be the shelf-life of the concentrate..?
    The longest Ive kept it is 3 weeks (refrigerated) and it still tasted fine.

    Also note, I add some organic honey and black tea during the process of making the syrup and dont know if this has any effect on the shelf-life.

    Straight syrup can also be poured over ice cream much like an affogato, and it tastes absolutely wonderful!



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    Yes I agree with what Den stated. The Snobby Chai is the best chai Ive tried

    I currently have two packs purchased several months ago and both say "Best Before Dec 2010".

    Ive had the concentrate last at least a month refrigerated. I also add tea and sugar or honey during the making of of the syrup.

    Love the sound of the Chaifogatto. Gotta get some ice cream this weekend.

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    I love Chai so Ill defintely give this a try. Its hard to find a good one!

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    Cheers Den/flynn !

    Im gonna buy some me thinks. mm. chai..


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    Long time lover of chai here...in both hot and iced forms...so I ordered 2 bags of the snobby, which arrived this week.
    I cant work out what I am doing wrong, so please offer any advice...have brewed a few batches by now, increasing the strength each time, but always ending up with a very weak, insipid hot milk drink. The aroma has also been underwhelming....hmmm.
    My final attempt was using 5 tablespoons of spice, simmered in one cup of water for 20 minutes, then added to one cup of steamed milk. The result still tasted only of hot millk with just the very faintest hint of spice. Remember that I DO love chai in its many guises (especially one memorable concoction at a Nepalese restaurant a few years ago!!)
    So...any thoughts on what I can do to achieve the results you folk seem to be getting??
    PS...I am not blaming Andys product, as everything I have received has been outstanding.
    Cheers,

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    I can vouch there is nothing wrong with the product. It sounds like you following the directions on the pack but for some reason arent getting enough extraction during the brewing process.

    Are you starting with almost boing water. I usually boil the kettle, pour about 2 cups into a suacepan, add two generous tblspoons of chai mix and let it simmer away for 20 mins though on my gas cooktop, its still bubbling away fairly vigorously. Reduce it by about 1/2 - 1/3 and then let it cool before putting it into a jar to store in the fridge.

    To make a chai latte I can add about 1/4 to 1/3 cup of it to 300ml of the chai essence to about 300ml in a milk steaming jug + about 1 tspn of sugar or honey and then texture the milk the same as I do for coffee.

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    Dennis is 100% on the money with his recipe for this one IMHO. It tastes amazing (and I dont even like chai ::)) and has plenty of oomph...

    Ask nicely and you never know...he may even come clean with some recipe tips ;)

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    thanks guys...I will persist.
    Flynn, I do start with the boiling water, and reduce over 20 minutes...I will try to cool it down and keep in fridge before using...maybe that will intensify the flavour/aroma...it certainly isnt happening for me if I use it straight from the stove !!!
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    OK, so heres how I do it, happy to share, for what its worth...

    Add 1200ml of boiling water to 200gm of Snobby Chai in a saucepan and simmer for 20 minutes. Then I add 50gm of PNG Broken Pekoe tea (can also be purchased from BeanBay) and 7 tablespoons of organic honey. Stir and simmer for a further 20 minutes. Strain through a colander, then through a finer sieve before bottling and refrigerating. I end up with about 900ml.

    When preparing a drink I add 50ml of the syrup to 150ml of milk then texturise.

    I guess you can vary it from there to taste. Most of my customers who try it for the first time are surprised to find its nowhere near as sweet as commercial products, but its easier to add sugar than take it away. Ive only had one customer who didnt like it and when he told me he didnt like aniseed/liquorice, I put it down to the star anise that is included in the mix.

    At a guess, I would also think that making smaller batches increases the chance of missing out on the intended ratio of spices.

    Buff, I find the addition of a good black tea gives it that little bit of intensity, without overwhelming the Chai.

    All the best!


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    Thanks for the recipe, Dennis...I have done the remainder of the pack to your instructions and ended up with just over 500ml "concentrate"...I used 100ml concentrate to 150ml of milk (Iknow, I know, it means only 5 drinks from the entire 200g pack instead of the advertised 50 serves)....but I still get an insipid tasting cup of milk...theres just nothing there for me (and my wife, who also is usually nuts about chai)...oh well

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    Quote Originally Posted by 70677474120 link=1230522358/36#36 date=1256456500
    Thanks for the recipe, Dennis...I have done the remainder of the pack to your instructions and ended up with just over 500ml "concentrate"...I used 100ml concentrate to 150ml of milk (Iknow, I know, it means only 5 drinks from the entire 200g pack instead of the advertised 50 serves)....but I still get an insipid tasting cup of milk...theres just nothing there for me (and my wife, who also is usually nuts about chai)...oh well
    Sorry to hear that Buff, though I guess thats what makes us all individuals.

    Switch to hot chocolate! :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by 03140707610 link=1230522358/36#36 date=1256456500
    Thanks for the recipe, Dennis...I have done the remainder of the pack to your instructions and ended up with just over 500ml "concentrate"...I used 100ml concentrate to 150ml of milk (Iknow, I know, it means only 5 drinks from the entire 200g pack instead of the advertised 50 serves)....but I still get an insipid tasting cup of milk...theres just nothing there for me (and my wife, who also is usually nuts about chai)...oh well
    I have some that I have not used as I also fount it less spicy than I expected.. I have had to add some extra bite to it... Thus for my tasts it is not wort the effort... Tried some other chai that came from some out of the way place in norther NSW and that was great... Problem is that I can not remember who gave it to me and the name of the supplier :o

    That being said... I have almost a full bag od Snobbi Chai, that your welcome to have and to see if you can get somthing from it...

    PM me if ya interested...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 624348484F55260 link=1230522358/37#37 date=1256461114
    Sorry to hear that Buff, though I guess thats what makes us all individuals. *
    ...too true, Dennis !!

    Quote Originally Posted by 67484143546B47484741434B434852260 link=1230522358/38#38 date=1256462269
    I have some that I have not used as I also fount it less spicy than I expected..I have had to add some extra bite to it...Thus for my tasts it is not wort the effort...Tried some other chai that came from some out of the way place in norther NSW and that was great...Problem is that I can not remember who gave it to me and the name of the supplierShocked

    That being said...I have almost a full bag od Snobbi Chai, that your welcome to have and to see if you can get somthing from it...

    PM me if ya interested... *
    ...glad Im not the only one, AM ! and thanks for the offer, but I too, have another unopened 200g bag...I reckon I might chuck it in the icecream maker one of these days and see what happens *:)

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    Maybe a silly question, but do you need to grind it in anyway :-? or just throw it in the pot as is??
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0E3637323C276F67666F5E0 link=1230522358/40#40 date=1279507229
    but do you need to grind it in anyway
    I wouldnt grind it. You could break it up the Chai little bit more as that may extract a bit more.

    Best advice: follow Dennis methood in Reply #35 above. I have usually made smaller batches and get the hit-miss effect Den mentions.

    His chai lattes get the thumbs up from my missus.

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    I got some Snobby Chai with my last brown order and its a real delight, especially for those of us who try to avoid sugar, additives and the like.

    I just put one cup of boiling water to every tablespoon of the mixture in a big pot, let it simmer for a good half hour or so, decant it into a jar and store it in the fridge.

    Whenever a chai latte is requested its just a matter of adding a shot or two worth into the milk jug along with the milk and steaming it.

    Works a treat and is delicious.

    BTW My better half adds a drizzle of honey to hers to add a little more sweetness but personally i dont think it needs it.

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    Finally got my first order from CS! (Very quick service!)

    After reading about the snobby chai I had to add it along with my coffee order.

    Indeed it is the best chai Ive had so far. Comparing it to the packaged/processed stuff would be a disgrace :D

    Just one thing though, anyone else think it would be near impossible to get 50 serves out of the 200gm? Ive made 100gm into a syrup and only got approximately 10-12 serves.

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    Re: Snobby Chai - *Chai Spice!

    Yes, the BeanBay service is great! Unbeatable I believe. *:D

    Being a coffee lover AND a regular consumer of a good chai, I have the belief (without actually trying the said CS product) that like in all food preparation, the best results are achieved by brewing the spices "fresh".

    The CS product may only contain the spices and no additives, preservatives etc, but it is still unfortunately a packaged product.

    All/any spices in the chai have their own individual aroma and tastes. When mixed together and stored even for a moderately short time, they will absorb and overpower each other.

    I spent several months in India a few years ago and experienced different forms of spiced chai, with my main concern being the amount of sugar used! *:o

    Its all about choice and convenience really. Packaged (as per Andys good quality) or as I prefer; sliced and crushed fresh ginger root, crushed cardamon pods, cloves, peppercorns, cinnamon quill and star anise or fennel seeds if you like the aniseed taste.
    The spices are best purchased from a specialist spice store, not the "packaged" supermarket stock. *Simmer in water for 15 to 30 minutes, add milk and simmer again. Take off the heat and add a good quality tea, allowing to steep for several minutes. Strain and enjoy the full flavours and aromas. *8-)

    Kevo.

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    Re: Snobby Chai - *Chai Spice!

    Is it just me or is there an easier way to do this?
    BEFORE I had an espresso machine, I would always brew chai/fragrent spices the suggested way - on a stove top.
    but now I usually put some in a self infusing teapot (see image below to rectify crappy exlpanation), or plunger, and pour textured milk/soy over the top, wait a few minutes for it to brew, serve and BAM! you have awesome chai - and this method is perfect for cafe owners like Dennis where time is obviously a constraint.
    Try it, you wount be disappointed :D
    (note: some of the bigger, whole pieces in the chai mix, like; star anise and cinamon may need to be broken up in a motar and pestle or food processor for better results)


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    Re: Snobby Chai - *Chai Spice!

    This is a delightful drink! Had a cup of this at cuppacoffee yesterday. Dennis, you sure do know how to make a beverage, thank you! The star anise definitely came through towards the end of the cup.

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    Re: Snobby Chai - *Chai Spice!

    Thanks and Im glad you liked it.

    We like all sorts of beanbay stuff - the chai, cocoa, specialty raw beans, and delicious Masons Creek olive oil.

    I like Andy! :)


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    Re: Snobby Chai - *Chai Spice!

    Making a Snobby on a Saturday morning is becoming a ritual.

    Damn the house smells nice for the rest of the morning.

    Helps wash down the morning espressos :)

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    Re: Snobby Chai - *Chai Spice!

    I too was a bit underwhelmed with simmering the masala for 30 mins... so I ran a new batch through a spice grinder and simmered it for 15 which gave a soupy consistency... I was having troubles straining it so just put it through the aeropress...



    The concentrate is great! Only have to use such a*small amount :)



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