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    Im in love with coffeesnobs gold medal winning blend...but at $30 including postage for 500 gms  - thats $15 a week for home coffee - very very worth it for such good coffee..but Im pretty skint budget wise-  so thought Id go to a renowned cafe/roaster in Sydney to see if their beans were any cheaper. They charged me $15 for 250 gms...seems a little steep as they dont have $10 postage included like Coffeesnobs...and coffee is good but nowhere near as good as Coffeesnobs ( I get my coffee from coffesnobs ground before delivery though - where as I ground these ones at home on crap grinder - so that wouldnt help their case)...Im curious if others think this is a bit pricey or is this common for a good blend . I used to get beans from coffee n things in Randwick for $4 for 100 gms - but has recently closed down

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    Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

    Hi Grapsta,

    Why not buy some greens here at more like $10/kg and roast them yourself  :-?. Even a popper will do to get you started.

    Youll save stacks, have a heap of fun and get the pleasure of green beans of a quality which many of the biggies just dont buy because theyre too pricey. What you do with them from there is up to you!

    Happy browning

    2mcm

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    • #3
      Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

      grapsta

      Specialist roasted beans - especially blends - are expensive because of all the labour involved in their production.... and when you are talking small quantities.... even more labour and packaging cost is involved.....

      If you want small amounts of quality beans... then $30 for 500grams is, IMHO, very reasonable.... as postage involves even more labour plus the cost of the actual postage....

      Originally posted by 5B4E5D4C4F485D3C0 link=1234062246/0#0 date=1234062246
      I used to get beans from coffee n things in Randwick for $4 for 100 gms - but has recently closed down  
      And that would likely be as a result of not identifying their costs correctly..... and therefore selling at an unsustainable price!

      Originally posted by 0E51495F545F535A5A5959515D523C0 link=1234062246/1#1 date=1234062495
      Why not buy some greens here at more like $10/kg and roast them yourself
      That is the best answer if you want quality at a low price.... as you provide the expensive labour!

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      • #4
        Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

         
        Originally posted by 0922352201430 link=1234062246/2#2 date=1234062884
        grapsta wrote on Today at 14:04:
        I used to get beans from coffee n things in Randwick for $4 for 100 gms - but has recently closed down

        JavaB wrote on Today at 14:14:
        And that would likely be as a result of not identifying their costs correctly..... and therefore selling at an unsustainable price!
        Hi JavaB,

        $4 for 100g = $20 for 500g  if thats unsustainable then many of the sponsors here (including BeanBay) are in trouble.  
        I believe that it is more likely as a result of a well deserved retirement.  I am also told that they are donating all their equipment to the University of Technology.

        Cheers - Carrie

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        • #5
          Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

          Hi Carrie...

          I dont think you will find anyone selling 100g for $4.... unless it is repackaged supermarket cr@p!

          It takes quite a bit of time to package such a small amount.... and  that would be the same as the time  to package 1Kg..... or 2Kg..... and the packaging isnt that much different in price either.

          So likely "sustainable" prices (ignoring postage) would be say....

          $30 for 1KG
          $20 for 500g
          $15 for 250g
          $10 for 100g....

          Its far from a linear arrangement.... because time is money.... lots of money.

          Thats why Andy sells his green beans in 2.5Kg lots....

          Lots of people have asked for say 1Kg..... but the reality of the labour component is that his answer was that he will either charge $25 for 2.5KG.... or charge $25 for 1Kg..... and give you 1.5Kg for free!!!

          It just isnt worth a supplier dealing with small quantities if you price the labour component realistically..... and you are a fool (and bound to go out of business) if you dont...... (not necessarily saying that is what happened to coffee n things..... but lack of profit is often the reason someone abandons an otherwise great enterprise).

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          • #6
            Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

            Somewhere locally sells <$30/kg, same price for smaller quantities (ie, <$7.50/250gms). They have been doing it sucessfully for many years, and dont look likely to close down soon. Their coffee is also good.

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            • #7
              Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

              I sell to my regular customers for $8 250g bag, dont make much out of it more of a service so they are getting better value from me. From a commercial sense I have been in Sydney this weekend and saw prices from $10-15.

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                Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

                Originally posted by 5C77607754160 link=1234062246/4#4 date=1234067747
                Hi Carrie...

                I dont think you will find anyone selling 100g for $4.... unless it is repackaged supermarket cr@p!
                We charge $4 per 100g and make enough. also we DONT sell supermarket CRAP and dont like the above comment. we sell only fresh roasted (within 7 days of roast) coffee. we can also get 250g packs from the roaster and on sell for $11 per 250g, these are roasted normally on day of delivery to us. So it is possible.

                LE

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                • #9
                  Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

                  Originally posted by 1B232D3C2B2031480 link=1234062246/7#7 date=1234098061
                  We charge $4 per 100g and make enough. also we DONT sell supermarket CRAP and dont like the above comment.
                  Well I am honestly surprised and very impressed you can sell quality coffee at that price.... and make any worthwhile profit.

                  Im also in WA.... and although I roast my own - I also purchase quality pre-roasted as a reality check on my roasts....

                  Everywhere that I have gone where coffee is sold it is either not sold in such small quantities... or is a LOT more expensive than you sell it.

                  The exception was some of the markets here where small quantities are sold for about that price.... but out of a large hessian bag.... the same bag week after week- obviously neither protected from oxidation nor roasted within the last few weeks - probably more like months! Hence my comment about supermarket cr@p.... the blend (well I assume it is a blend) was also unknown!

                  You certainly cant be making much by the time you measure the beans, pack them in a one way valved bag etc..... but good to see someone is doing it even if for just satisfaction / customer service rather than financial reward!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

                    How we look at it is that when our customers come in for there beans they normally have a cup of coffee and or lunch. as we are not a busy city cafe but a small country cafe we generally have time to chat to the customer while weighing and packing. our roaster also delivers to our warehouse in perth for free so we dont have transport fees as such. they can also add any of there other blends in with our order so again no additional postage which ables us to sell the coffee at normal retail price. yes we could make more money from the coffee but i would rather sell smaller amounts more often so the customer is not tempted to buy to much at a time to save money.

                    LE

                    PS One day you should come out for a drive to Goomalling.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

                      Originally posted by 163D2A3D1E5C0 link=1234062246/2#2 date=1234062884
                      grapsta


                      If you want small amounts of quality beans... then $30 for 500grams is, IMHO, very reasonable.... as postage involves even more labour plus the cost of the actual postage....

                      Originally posted by 5B4E5D4C4F485D3C0 link=1234062246/0#0 date=1234062246
                      I used to get beans from coffee n things in Randwick for $4 for 100 gms - but has recently closed down  
                      And that would likely be as a result of not identifying their costs correctly..... and therefore selling at an unsustainable price!
                      what ??? $30 for 500 gms when $10 is postage is $4 per 100 grams buddy. pretty simple math there....also I went out of my way to emphasize that Im quite happy with coffeesnobs price and quality....my main point of post was to see if people thought $30 for 500 gms when its all for the coffee and none for postage from local guy was too steep - seemed like it to me !

                      Will try the green bean thing one of these days for sure....working 6 days a week at the moment so not much time...plus Im concerned with having a crap grinder and not being able to afford a better one in near future

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                      • #12
                        Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

                        Originally posted by 392C3F2E2D2A3F5E0 link=1234062246/10#10 date=1234104262
                        what ??? $30 for 500 gms when $10 is postage is $4 per 100 grams buddy. pretty simple math there
                        Correct - if you buy all 500 grams....

                        But if you only buy 100 grams.... most suppliers will charge for their time and materials as I said above...

                        so 500g at $20 will include say $3 for that charge..... making the actual bean cost $17 per 500 grams

                        if you only buy 100 grams it will be 1/5 of the $17 plus the $3 or $6.40

                        Yep, pretty simple - that is once you realise you dont just divide the 1KG or 500g price but add on a "fixed" charge for service. There are obviously exceptions to that (like Sketchy above)... but most retailers will work an a sliding scale of price per 100g.... with the customer paying far more for small quantities.

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                          Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

                          Originally posted by 40554657545346270 link=1234062246/10#10 date=1234104262
                          main point of post was to see if people thought $30 for 500 gms when its all for the coffee and none for postage from local guy was too steep - seemed like it to me !
                          Not to me.
                          I started off paying $35-$40kg from a respected roaster and I consider it a fair price for the quality.
                          I home roast now but still buy some from that roaster occasionally to compare mine to.

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                            Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

                            Originally posted by 4B60776043010 link=1234062246/11#11 date=1234129912
                            Originally posted by 392C3F2E2D2A3F5E0 link=1234062246/10#10 date=1234104262
                            what ??? $30 for 500 gms when $10 is postage is $4 per 100 grams buddy. pretty simple math there
                            Correct - if you buy all 500 grams....

                            But if you only buy 100 grams.... most suppliers will charge for their time and materials as I said above...

                            so 500g at $20 will include say $3 for that charge..... making the actual bean cost $17 per 500 grams

                            if you only buy 100 grams it will be 1/5 of the $17 plus the $3 or $6.40

                            Yep, pretty simple - that is once you realise you dont just divide the 1KG or 500g price but add on a "fixed" charge for service. There are obviously exceptions to that (like Sketchy above)... but most retailers will work an a sliding scale of price per 100g.... with the customer paying far more for small quantities.

                            Really..cant say Ive ever seen that. Any place Ive been too either have a straight price by the gram/kilo ...or they sell bags in 2 sizes .

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                              Re: Whats a fair price ot pay for beans at cafe

                              Originally posted by 764A574C464750454D46220 link=1234062246/12#12 date=1234130047
                              Originally posted by 40554657545346270 link=1234062246/10#10 date=1234104262
                              main point of post was to see if people thought $30 for 500 gms when its all for the coffee and none for postage from local guy was too steep - seemed like it to me !
                              Not to me.
                              I started off paying $35-$40kg from a respected roaster and I consider it a fair price for the quality.
                              I home roast now but still buy some from that roaster occasionally to compare mine to.

                              yeah but isnt $35-$40 a kilo a fair bit cheaper than $30 for 500 grams ????. ...I guess I should buy bigger bags but obviously that defeats the purpose of having fresh coffee. ...and this place only had 250 gm and 500 gm bags for sale that I could see..

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