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    Hi guys, I was curious bout something..

    With my Gaggia Classic, when i put exactly 7grams in the portafilter basket and tamp it, the extraction time is always too fast. I seem to need about 10-11grams or so just to slow down extraction time to get 25-30ml in 25-30seconds... Is this right? I know someone may say the the grind isnt fine enough, but im using a Lavazza Il Perfetto Espresso (The Cafe Blend), which seems to be a fine enough grind...

    Any ideas??? ive noticed alot of people simply fill the basket, level off from the top and tamp... which would be more than 7grams...?

    Thanks guys

    Simon

  • #2
    Re: Extraction too fast...?

    Just to confirm
    You use supermarket pre ground beans

    KK

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    • #3
      Re: Extraction too fast...?

      Unfortunately u used a one size fits all type of ground pre packaged coffee. I would suggest buying ground beans meant for a home machine or better still investing in a grinder as type of beans , temperature and other things will alter how your coffee will extract and you are constantly adjusting grind settings to suit.

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      • #4
        Re: Extraction too fast...?

        No i dont have a grinder, and am buying supermarket finely ground coffee. I do plan on getting a grinder at some stage in the future, but surely it isnt a necessity? Surely bought ground coffee will be evenly ground (as ive observed it seems to be finely ground and equally ground all throughout)??

        Regardless of which i use, 7 grams of it sometimes doesnt even properly fill out the bottom of the portafilter... Why is this???

        Thanks guys

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        • #5
          Re: Extraction too fast...?

          Originally posted by 4B515557564B53004A380 link=1256784544/3#3 date=1256905246
          No i dont have a grinder, and am buying supermarket finely ground coffee. I do plan on getting a grinder at some stage in the future, but surely it isnt a necessity? Surely bought ground coffee will be evenly ground (as ive observed it seems to be finely ground and equally ground all throughout)??

          Regardless of which i use, 7 grams of it sometimes doesnt even properly fill out the bottom of the portafilter... Why is this???

          Thanks guys
          Sorry read it and weep... Been said and proven a 101 times... Supermarket coffee is in most cases stale and only worth using as compost.

          It is not the grind... If your buying beans and grinding or the pre ground..

          Rule of thumb.

          1: Green beans 3 years
          2: Brown beans 3 weeks
          3: Ground beans 30 sec.

          After that STALE and usless. Now there are some exceptions but in general a good rule to live by. Supermarket coffee... Usually a few months old by the time it hits the wharehouse... Let alone you home.

          And where are you getting 7 g from ??? even 11 is light...

          If your using a single basket and supermarket coffee.. STOP... Go and have an instant... It will be better

          Do some reading on CS and search for your equipment... Its all been covered before.

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          • #6
            Re: Extraction too fast...?

            Originally posted by 4B515557564B53004A380 link=1256784544/3#3 date=1256905246
            I do plan on getting a grinder at some stage in the future, but surely it isnt a necessity? Surely bought ground coffee will be evenly ground (as ive observed it seems to be finely ground and equally ground all throughout)??

            Yes a grinder "is that important"

            Get yourself a Kyocera ceramic blade hand grinder for $99 and fresh roasted coffee beans I guarantee it will be 200% better than pre ground

            Originally posted by 4B515557564B53004A380 link=1256784544/3#3 date=1256905246
            Regardless of which i use, 7 grams of it sometimes doesnt even properly fill out the bottom of the group handle... Why is this???
            You may have a 9 gram basket ?

            Just fill the basket & level off with something straight or finger

            Tamp approx 15 kg pressure and give that a go

            KK

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            • #7
              Re: Extraction too fast...?

              Pre-ground is stale and dry.

              The older coffee it gets the faster it will pour.
              Thats why you need a grinder of your own, so you can make slight adjustments as the beans age.

              Unfortunately, with pre-ground, the only thing you can do to get a slower pour, as youve noticed, is to add more coffee.
              However, this isnt going to give you a better coffee.

              Where are you located simonsk8r?

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              • #8
                Re: Extraction too fast...?

                If youre fussy..A grind youre using at 9 am wont taste the same at 1 pm. (different humidity and temperatures).
                Also grinding cold beans is a no no, not good for your grinder blades also.
                A good barista is always tasting his coffee and making sure it tastes right before serving it to others.
                Pre ground coffee, whether it supermarket or from your local roaster is not going to be 100% ideal for your machine as they grind the same grind to suit all machines.

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                • #9
                  Re: Extraction too fast...?

                  Originally posted by 5951513A3A474055463A3A5671757A140 link=1256784544/7#7 date=1256976752
                  grinding cold beans is a no no, not good for your grinder blades also
                  Totally agree with the rest of it but dont really understand what you are saying there? Are you saying that you should warm your beans or dont store them in the fringe? Isnt something I have come across.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Extraction too fast...?

                    Originally posted by 030D000F180E0F610 link=1256784544/8#8 date=1256978341
                    Originally posted by 5951513A3A474055463A3A5671757A140 link=1256784544/7#7 date=1256976752
                    grinding cold beans is a no no, not good for your grinder blades also
                    Totally agree with the rest of it but dont really understand what you are saying there? Are you saying that you should warm your beans or dont store them in the fringe? Isnt something I have come across.
                    I read it as refrigerated beans "cold"

                    KK

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                    • #11
                      Re: Extraction too fast...?

                      Originally posted by 69676A657264650B0 link=1256784544/8#8 date=1256978341
                      Originally posted by 5951513A3A474055463A3A5671757A140 link=1256784544/7#7 date=1256976752
                      grinding cold beans is a no no, not good for your grinder blades also
                      Totally agree with the rest of it but dont really understand what you are saying there? Are you saying that you should warm your beans or dont store them in the fringe? Isnt something I have come across.
                      Yeah sorry was a bit vague...Cold beans straight out of the fridge is a no no for a few reasons.
                      Cold beans are harder and can cause premature wear on your grinder blades as well as an irregular grind.
                      Best to let your beans get to room temp befort grinding.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Extraction too fast...?

                        Depending on the taste you are desiring, a coarser grind with a harder tamp or finer grind with a lighter tamp alters characteristics (therefore taste) of your coffee.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Extraction too fast...?

                          Originally posted by 020A0A61611C1B0E1D61610D2A2E214F0 link=1256784544/10#10 date=1256991685
                          fridge is a no no
                          Should not have them in teh fridge to start with..

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                            Re: Extraction too fast...?

                            Originally posted by 4C636A687F406C636C6A68606863790D0 link=1256784544/12#12 date=1256996077
                            Originally posted by 020A0A61611C1B0E1D61610D2A2E214F0 link=1256784544/10#10 date=1256991685
                            fridge is a no no  
                            Should not have them in teh fridge to start with..
                            I think storing the beans in the fridge is alot better than having them in the cupboard sweating and losing its oils.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Extraction too fast...?

                              Originally posted by 6E66660D0D707762710D0D6146424D230 link=1256784544/13#13 date=1257021030
                              I think storing the beans in the fridge is alot better than having them in the cupboard sweating and losing its oils.  
                              Many would disagree with that, the accepted wisdom (happy for it to be challenged and proved wrong) is that pulling the beans in and out of the fridge has more negatives than proper storage at room temperature. I have read some experiments on different storage methods and for beans you are going to use by 2-4 weeks post roast room temp is best. Past this the freezer does offer some slowing of the aging process (but you have to package it up into amounts you will use in a small space of time).

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