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  • #16
    Re: Extraction time

    Well, I pulled a shot this morning for my wife and I must have over dosed because the extraction went about 55 seconds. The resultant shot looked good in the cup with good medium dark crema that was a tad motley.

    I did the milk thing and gave it to my wife and she remarked after a couple of sips that she thought it was one of the nicest coffees shes tasted. (and if you knew my wife she douesnt hand out compliments for the sake of it ;D)

    So as I earlier concluded, I dont seem to have too much of a problem extracting longer than 30 secs as long as I stop before blonding. Not the case with too fast extraction though. Tastes like c**p.
    Cheers
    T

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    • #17
      Re: Extraction time

      Hi all

      Im still having problems with my puck (theres nothing worse than that). Theres always about 1mm of water left on top after extraction and the puck is quite soft.

      Some details:
      - It takes about 3-4 seconds for the pour to start coming through after I hit the brew button
      - I am filling the (double shot) basket right up and levelling it off at the top.
      - When I insert the basket into the espresso machine the group handle turns around to about 5pm and there is a reasonable imprint of the shower screen nut in the grinds if I remove it and have a look. (I have a 3 year old Silvia).
      - I get 60mls of pour in about 25 seconds from the time I hit the brew button.
      - My Rocky grinder is set on 6.

      Does this all suggest that I should grind the beans finer?

      Also, can someone please explain why there is water left on top of the puck afterward? Does it mean that there is a gap between the top of the puck and the showerhead after pouring, and this gap is not supposed to be there?

      Ta,
      D.E.M.

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      • #18
        Re: Extraction time

        Why do you care about 1mm of water?
        What do you mean by soft puck?

        "I get 60mls of pour in about 25 seconds from the time I hit the brew button." - Sounds perfect.

        "Does this all suggest that I should grind the beans finer?"
        No; finer will get you more water on top and less than 60ml in 25 seconds.

        If the coffee tastes good it sounds to me like you are looking for a problem that doesnt exist.

        Am I missing something?

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        • #19
          Re: Extraction time

          A little water on top of the puck is neither here nor there DEM...

          Sometimes, if Im a little slow in removing the Group Handle after pulling a shot, a little water may accumulate on top of the puck. Other times if I deliberately under-dose and grind a little finer than usual, there is occasionally a little pool of water on top. Id hate to try and guess how much though, probably 1-2ml..... :-? Discarded pucks are still quite firm and homogeneous though...

          It never affects the quality in the cup though and thats whats important in the end, so stop worrying and just enjoy your coffee..... 8-)

          Mal.

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          • #20
            Re: Extraction time

            Good read...always is.

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            • #21
              Re: Extraction time

              If your still worried about that 1mm of water on top of your puck then try updosing... do this by collapsing the coffee ing the basket once or twice when it is around 3/4 full then adding to the top THEN leveling off and tamping. You should also make the grind a little bit courser when doing this to keep the extraction time similar.

              As for Shotguns wife enjoying an overextracted shot?...i have an old school roaster friends who loves exactly that. Pouring 90mls of water through one puck for his long black and cappucinos with mountains of froth on top. He will even pour boiling water on top of his very finely ground coffee in a plunger?!?!?

              My point? All though he loves these methods for himself, he always cups correctly and roasts accordingly to what the public expects. These are reffered to as industry standards and are always open to interpertation.

              As AM would say ...2 + something = something? lol

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              • #22
                Re: Extraction time

                Couldnt agree more with Luke on that one, everyone enjoys coffee differently in one way or another and if you like the end result then thats all that counts. Sometimes people get hung up on "the way it should be" and forget about whats right in front of them... good coffee. As for the water on the puck try removing the group handle straight after the shot and see how it is (I think thats what Mal meant).
                Happy drinking!

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                • #23
                  Re: Extraction time

                  [QUOTE=5147444651474751506B5D476B56514740340 link=1264051783/21#21 date=1267825454As for the water on the puck try removing the group handle straight after the shot and see how it is (I think thats what Mal meant).[/QUOTE]
                  Yep.... ;D

                  Mal.

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