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    [edit]These posts moved from good coffee where thread as they were not about good coffee.

    2mcm[/edit]

    Originally posted by 6D686F6F60646F010 link=1250300315/0#0 date=1250300315
    Cairns coffee
    Aug 15th, 2009, 11:38am After much searching, I have finally found a good coffee shop in Cairns:
    Bang Espresso at 15 Shields Street.
    Nice coffee and knowledgeable staff.
    I had a doppio ristretto which was really good, and a flat white, which was nice, but after the ristretto didnt seem to punch through the milk that well.
    My coffee drinking partner seemed to like her flat white just fine 9and she likes a full flavoured coffee usually), so am thinking that it was just my tastebuds after the first coffee.  
    I have also been to Bang and we hired an ex staff member from there. Fairly good at what they do. Espresso was good also but i had it before my milk coffee so milk coffee was a little weak. Lets be honest though, 5 senses doesnt exactly smash flavour into your face at the best of times... Quality coffee but on the milder side. As for Fluent espresso, my visit here was terrible. Why buy 2 Cimbalis and not 1 La marzocco or synesso?? Anyhow equipment asside the staff had no clue as to what they were doing. Not reccomended. Bang is the place to go in Cairns.

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    Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

    Originally posted by 694A59594A48402B0 link=1250300315/4#4 date=1273968715
    5 senses doesnt exactly smash flavour into your face at the best of times...
    :-? Thats a big and sweeping statement....

    Originally posted by 694A59594A48402B0 link=1250300315/4#4 date=1273968715
    Why buy 2 Cimbalis and not 1 La marzocco or synesso??
    Hmm....because youre doing volume and perhaps also because if theyre well set up and expertly used, they are capable of producing excellent shots too? Just because you are driving a status symbol does not mean you know how to drive... :-?

    I am a tad over reading that coffee cant be great unless its served from LM, Slayer or Synesso. It smacks of arrogance and is elitist and untrue- plain and simple. :

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    • #3
      Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

      Originally posted by 11322121323038530 link=1250300315/4#4 date=1273968715
      5 senses doesnt exactly smash flavour into your face at the best of times
      I wouldnt really want any coffee to smash flavour in my face.

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      • #4
        Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

        Well done those last 2 posts.  I adore the espresso from my humble FAEMA Due 2 group and I am not without experience is tasting espresso from speciality coffee houses that, in the main, use the very high end of town machines.  I am sure that in the right hands they can be fine tuned to do better but most of it is the roasting and the twit/guru on the end of the PF.

        Cheers

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        • #5
          Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

          Originally posted by 7D6861717D6666120 link=1273968716/3#3 date=1273994727
          but most of it is the roasting and the twit/guru on the end of the PF.
          lol thats funny!

          Sometimes a barista has a bad day..even good baristas.

          About this time last year i was guilty of it too... i had a bit of a machinery melt down and couldnt get it repaired and decided to carry on regardless and a coffeesnob came in needless to say he noticed that it was a little bit over extracted and reported me to the Coffeesnobs police! lol

          Anyway!....what im trying to say is this.....You should give them another chance if the opportunity arises

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          • #6
            Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

            Originally posted by 58617F714B53140 link=1273968716/4#4 date=1274008016
            Originally posted by 7D6861717D6666120 link=1273968716/3#3 date=1273994727
            but most of it is the roasting and the twit/guru on the end of the PF.
            lol thats funny!

            Sometimes a barista has a bad day..even good baristas.

            About this time last year i was guilty of it too... i had a bit of a machinery melt down and couldnt get it repaired and decided to carry on regardless and a coffeesnob came in needless to say he noticed that it was a little bit over extracted and reported me to the Coffeesnobs police! lol

            Anyway!....what im trying to say is this.....You should give them another chance if the opportunity arises
            ROFLMAO... CS Police... I guess you were teh local contact ;D

            Agree... " should give them another chance if the opportunity arises "

            If there is great potential... Then Every one can have a bad day or moment... Some have it bad 24/7 but we will not go there.

            Second time around... Well may have to understand whats going on..

            Third time unlucky... Well ya know. 3 tricks in a row and ya out.

            CD.. Got my knakin.... Sweet... Man that deep 54 does allow you to be a bit sloppy ;D and still get away with it...

            Need more 54mm toystools


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            • #7
              Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

              Originally posted by 0B322C221800470 link=1273968716/4#4 date=1274008016
              Sometimes a barista has a bad day..even good baristas.....

              ...Anyway!....what im trying to say is this.....You should give them another chance if the opportunity arise
              Agreed. I most probably would....unless the the Slayer/Synesso/LM machine was inexpertly driven by a rockstar wannabe with a hyperinflated ego.  ;D

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              • #8
                Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

                Chalk & Cheese
                One of the biggies or a Simple lever machine

                Its the nut behind the wheel that counts

                KK

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                • #9
                  Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

                  NO is the answer to that, a badly setup or badly used machine regardless of brand or hype will still produce rubbish. As to beans smashing you ;D Beans of the same blend and age can be great or garbage depending on how they are treated so dont blame the beans for the taste in all cases.

                  It all starts with setup being correct for a start, good beans, the nut on the buttons or levers doing their prep properly 8-) and after that the machine should help replicate the first three items time after time.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

                    Originally posted by 6A454C4E59664A454A4C4E464E455F2B0 link=1273968716/5#5 date=1274008522
                    CD.. Got my knakin
                    Does this allow "knakin" extractions?

                    So u dont need my one anymore? U can still borrow the 21g basket if you please?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

                      Originally posted by 08312F211B03440 link=1273968716/9#9 date=1274075942
                      Originally posted by 6A454C4E59664A454A4C4E464E455F2B0 link=1273968716/5#5 date=1274008522
                      CD.. Got my knakin
                      Does this allow "knakin" extractions?  

                      So u dont need my one anymore? U can still borrow the 21g basket if you please?

                      Will call a rain check for the moment...

                      AND

                      Originally posted by 2621252A22283D2D2A23440 link=1273968716/8#8 date=1274063294
                      a badly setup or badly used machine regardless of brand or hype will still produce rubbish. As to beans smashing you   Beans of the same blend and age can be great or garbage depending on how they are treated so dont blame the beans for the taste in all cases.
                      Yep... So true...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

                        Im sure that its possible to get a great coffee by stomping on some beans with your shoe and pushing kettle water through an old bit of pipe with another old bit of pipe, but I wouldnt rely on being able to reproduce it consistently. the bigger and better machines will give you more consistency, but doing the same thing wrong each time isnt really a good thing.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

                          Originally posted by 2C273D2F7079480 link=1273968716/11#11 date=1274082854
                          Im sure that its possible to get a great coffee by stomping on some beans with your shoe and pushing kettle water through an old bit of pipe with another old bit of pipe, but I wouldnt rely on being able to reproduce it consistently. the bigger and better machines will give you more consistency, but doing the same thing wrong each time isnt really a good thing.
                          To an extent. When you are talking well tuned big commercials that dont run too hot and have a long pedigree of design and good functionality behind them there isnt much in it. I invite anyone who doesnt believe me to bring their beans to my place and compare the taste running them through the super jolly and the FAEMA. I KNOW that there are better machines in terms of tweakability and temp stability in theory, but I have to say finding the result of same in Brisbane that blow my results our of the water is...well...time consuming (and its not just me in my household/friends saying that). I dont want to sound big headed about it, but thats just the truth. The best thing I could probably do to get better shots is go the route of a big commercial conical grinder. Apart from that....

                          Cheers

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                          • #14
                            Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

                            I got no complaints in my shop when I used the Faema Due. I was using a Compak K8 though...

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                            • #15
                              Re: Does it need to be one of the biggies to make a great shot?

                              I use an ancient but rebuilt Rancilio S24 at home and I reckon that I can pull shots on it on par with anything I can experience out - it all comes down to maintenance of the machine, respect for quality ingredients, and a willingness to keep plugging away at all the variables until you get a result!

                              Certainly equipment can make a big difference but so does what you are putting through the machine and a working knowledge of what it takes to get the best out of your machine

                              reasonable machine + quality fresh beans roasted to perfection + knowledgeable  barista = a great result (most of the time)

                              Course it helps if you have a half way decent grinder and know how to use it!

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