Bottomless portafilter - "ridiculous idea without purpose."

[jaysonleow Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close jaysonleow]

I am considering converting my Sunbeam EM6910 portafilter into a bottomless one, so I thought I would do a bit of reading online about whether I was making the correct choice, when I came across this ...

Question:  What is a bottomless portafilter? What is the advantage, if any?

Answer: A bottomless portafilter is a ridiculous idea without purpose. A portafilter has a single or double spout at the bottom to channel espresso to fill one or two cups. This is an outright stupid idea to remove the bottom half of the filter holder and cannot be dignified with any detail.

The above information, taken from http://www.partsguru.com/Choosingthe...essomaker.html seems to me, like a joke, coming from people who evidently have no knowledge of espresso,

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Re: Bottomless portafilter - "ridiculous idea without purpose."

I am considering converting my Sunbeam EM6910 portafilter into a bottomless one, so I thought I would do a bit of reading online about whether I was making the correct choice, when I came across this ...

Question:  What is a bottomless portafilter? What is the advantage, if any?

Answer: A bottomless portafilter is a ridiculous idea without purpose. A portafilter has a single or double spout at the bottom to channel espresso to fill one or two cups. This is an outright stupid idea to remove the bottom half of the filter holder and cannot be dignified with any detail.

The above information, taken from http://www.partsguru.com/Choosingthe...essomaker.html seems to me, like a joke, coming from people who evidently have no knowledge of espresso,

Have a read here and the following 3 or 4 pages...

http://www.home-barista.com/naked-extraction.html

Then think about it...

Training YES, Understanding what went wrong YES, Looks and Talking point YES, use it all the time NO - unless only making coffee for ONE.

[Dimal Mal Find all posts View Profile Close Dimal]

Re: Bottomless portafilter - "ridiculous idea without purpose."

Lots of "useful" info across many of the CS boards Jason. Suggest using the Quick Search tool above or the standard Search Tool if you want to go even further back in time.

Basically though, the "Naked" Group Handle is a great diagnostic aid when one is experiencing Dose Distribution and/or Tamping Problems. Any anomalies can be quickly analysed via the examination of the "Pour Pattern" at the start of and during a shot. Immediate corrective action can then be attempted with the success or otherwise of this action tested immediately afterwards.

Of course, once youve got the technique ironed out, it is such a mesmerising and beautiful thing to observe the luscious, gloopy pour of a near perfect shot. Dynamic beauty, if there ever was.... 8-)

Mal.

[GregWormald Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close GregWormald]

Re: Bottomless portafilter - "ridiculous idea without purpose."

I used a bottomless pf to help me get the dosing and distribution right--and it helped considerably.

I now use it EXCLUSIVELY, because even if Im making coffee for two or more I only make doppio ristrettos. So each cup gets a separate pf full anyway.

Greg

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Re: Bottomless portafilter - "ridiculous idea without purpose."

I used a bottomless pf to help me get the dosing and distribution right--and it helped considerably.

I now use it EXCLUSIVELY, because even if Im making coffee for two or more I only make doppio ristrettos. So each cup gets a separate pf full anyway.

Greg

Me too! I also love the fact that the area between the basket and the spout gets unscrupulously cleaned between shots (because it aint there) especially if unlike a commercial situation it may be a while before the next coffee. Most importantly, if the shot looks great it usually tastes great and if it doesnt, the issues are easier to diagnose.

Lastly, the reason for such a heavy-handed and unnecessarily blunt opinionated and arrogant response to the question may be for a bit of free advertising! So I for one will do my bit and encourage all I know to avoid said sight for fear that service may likely be as poor as their disposition! :P

[greenman Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close greenman]

Re: Bottomless portafilter - "ridiculous idea without purpose."

I converted one of my handles to a naked pf for diagnostic purposes but now use it most of the time, its great being able to view the pour and pick up any anomalies in my technique, it also looks brilliant, and as BrettH said it is easy to keep the pf clean. I use the double spout pf when I have guests over and when using smaller 150ml tulips for a good coffee/milk ratio

[jaysonleow Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close jaysonleow]

Re: Bottomless portafilter - "ridiculous idea without purpose."

Thanks for the great responses and opinions guys,
Ive done a whole lot of reading, and will probably head of to Bunnings during the next week to pick up a hole saw, and convert my PF to a bottomless one.

Yeah, I just didnt understand why that particular website was so against the bottomless PF ..

By the way,

....and when using smaller 150ml tulips for a good coffee/milk ratio Smiley Smiley

I was wondering whether you could tell me where you picked up those tulips from? Ive been really interested in them for a while now,

[rmoulynox Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rmoulynox]

Re: Bottomless portafilter - "ridiculous idea without purpose."

I was wondering whether you could tell me where you picked up those tulips from? Ive been really interested in them for a while now,

Jetblackespresso do the ACF ones, as do a fair few other sponsors. I have recently acquired a few of these, and they are the easiest cups to clean that Ive ever owned.

[jaysonleow Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close jaysonleow]

Re: Bottomless portafilter - "ridiculous idea without purpose."

Thanks for the info Richard,
Ill be sure to check them out