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  • #31
    Re: What is your poison?

    Originally posted by clarexican link=1115785635/15#26 date=1116500008
    Hi **,

    I think the problem is that the cup sizes that are avaliable now are way too large to get the right proportions. I always do a double shot anyway so that means that you get 180 mls instead .

    I have been looking for nice cups everywhere and I keep rechecking the total volume , and it has been very frustrating

    clarexican
    Hi All,

    Found some really great little Latte Cups and you would never guess where I found them and how much I paid for them?

    Would you believe from my local Woolworths supermarket. They were getting rid of them as old stock so I bought six of each type in the photo for only $2.00 each. They are "real" Latte cups too, really thick walled and heavy. I havent actually measured how much they hold but it would be around the 180ml mark and certainly less than 200ml.

    Great for double Ristrettos and milk.

    Cheers,
    Mal.

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    • #32
      Re: What is your poison?

      oooh,

      Well done Mal
      I think I will have to go check out my local woolies tomorrow m thanks for the tip.

      clarexican

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      • #33
        Re: What is your poison?

        Originally posted by chopinhauer link=1115785635/15#25 date=1116499900
        Hey Toomuchcoffee,

        Thanks for the correction regarding ristrettos, but now I have one more question, so forgive me if it seems stupid. In measuring millilitres, does one include the crema? I ask this because, often I get heaps of crema, which really is basically air and gradually dissipates if left for a little while. So is a ristretto 15mls con or sensa crema (or something in between)?
        Generally the crema is included in the measurement. Personally I dont pay much attention to the volume pulled but simply stop the draw when the extraction starts to blond with this happening at the 23-27 second mark.

        Ignore the rules and do what works/tastes best for you.

        Java "Rule Breaker Extraordinaire" phile
        Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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        • #34
          Re: What is your poison?

          I second Javaphiles wise recommendation. It is easy to get caught up in all these rules and specs.

          But if you think about it, the only way to determine if an espresso is fully extracted is to see its colour. Look for the "blonding", as Javaphile suggests.

          Ignore notions of ideal volume, ideal extraction timing, ideal tamp weight, ideal grind, ideal blah, blah, blah. Trust your own senses, and with a little experience you will know when you have succeeded, and when you have failed. You wont need a bunch of rules to tell you so.

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          • #35
            Re: What is your poison?

            Hi Avi and Java,

            It is interesting that you both say trust your senses because recently Ive been getting good results with ristrettos from my Silvia by running them for over 30 seconds in order to get around 15mls. On the other hand I used to get great results with ristrettos from the Pavoni europiccolas small double basket (equivalent to a la marzocco single) by pullling the shot (its manual) for around 18 seconds. The pavoni had an advantage though, since it has preinfusion (if you hold the lever up for 5-10 seconds prior to pulling the shot). I kind of wish the silvia had preinfusion too.

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            • #36
              Re: What is your poison?

              Hi chopinhauer,

              I dont think that you are alone in finding the "rules" restrictive

              Id like to refer to another recent post to make my point. Chris (2muchcoffeeman), clearly a man who knows his espresso, is getting really good results from 60s shots! Check out his post - http://www.coffeesnobs.com.au/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Brew;action=display;num=1116487115; start=1#1

              Yup, trust your instincts, and bugger the rules!

              Avi

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              • #37
                Re: What is your poison?

                Well the graph is looking very interesting...(well to me anyway!)

                It appears that a lot more people than I initally thought drink from the "black" side of the list.

                Whenever we had discussions in CS about how you have your coffee it seemed that most had milk based brews... but this poll currently shows... 55 black (I call the Macchiato black ;D ) and 35 milk based espressos.

                If you ever feel the need to change your vote (due to a change in taste) just remove your previous vote and re-vote.

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                • #38
                  Re: What is your poison?

                  I just noticed an error in the choices. Caffe Latte (espresso with milk) is not the same as Cafe au lait (brewed coffee with milk).

                  As an aside, the difference between a caffe latte and a flat white is the volume of the cup. Very few cafes are that pedantic about volumes so caffe latte tends to be a flat white in one of those awkward glass cups and costs a bit more.

                  Cheers

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                  • #39
                    Re: What is your poison?

                    Aaahhh...but how many of those black drinkers *only drink black? Just as how many only drink from the white side?

                    My impression from the posts here is that people drink from both sides. I know I do. The drinks I make cover the entire spectrum. Its part of how I avoid burn-in of my tastebuds.

                    While the majority of my drinks are from the white side I drink quite a few blacks as well. Every new bean and new roast of a bean is first tasted as a straight up double espresso before being used to make anything else. Id guess roughly 15% of my drinks are black.

                    Itd be interesting to see how many are pure black or white drinkers and how many dabble (or is that dribble?) on both sides of the fence.

                    Java "Drinks it all" phile
                    Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                    • #40
                      Re: What is your poison?

                      Ill put my hand up as never adding milk to any of coffee based drinks.

                      I personally dont like milk at all, the last thing I want to do is add it to a beverage I otherwise enjoy. Although this doesnt stop me from making my wife a latte each morning. I do enjoy pouring latte art, even if I dont like drinking it.

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                      • #41
                        Re: What is your poison?

                        I second that notion. Adding milk totally dethrills the coffee taste.. Whats teh point of brewing fresh coffee if you smother it with milk?

                        I clicked Syrup coffee because just recently I went through a bottle of syrupped ice coffee.. It actually wasnt all that bad XD Gloria Jeans Iced Coffee is what got me in to coffee really.. (hey, dont laugh, Im a uni student!)

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                        • #42
                          Re: What is your poison?

                          I toss up between cafe latte first thing in the morning, Piccolo Latte or Ristretto Piccolo Latte at morning tea and occasionally espresso after lunch

                          - Rob

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                          • #43
                            Re: What is your poison?

                            Hmmmm... Most of the choices involve espresso... I own an espresso machine but often cant be bothered using it and make it in a plunger.

                            What would you call a straight cup of black plunger coffee?

                            FJ

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                            • #44
                              Re: What is your poison?

                              Originally posted by FarmerJoe link=1115785635/30#42 date=1133751174

                              What would you call a straight cup of black plunger coffee?

                              FJ
                              I call it breakfast.... SWMBO doesnt like me making espresso of a morning so its normally plunger at that time of day.

                              Grant

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                              • #45
                                Re: What is your poison?

                                Hi all! Im new.

                                I like my espresso w/ 2 shots strong espresso in about a 6” to-go cup (I think that is about a 12 oz. cup.) ..,.then the rest of the cup 7/8 microfoam and 1/8 (i.e. a bissell) of the steamed milk....what is the proper terminology for my drink????? --RR

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