Re: Can Italians make great coffee?
Milk has gone up at least 5 times this year. From petrol, drought and everything else. Cheese is going thru the roof as well. Also china has put a huge impact on the world dairy market. A country that really never liked milk is loving it. This years drought is going to make it hard for many cafe owners.
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The average price for a coffee in Adelaide is $3. Some places charge more, some less. I had a very nice coffee for $2.50 last week at a small shop near the Centrelink office in the city.
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Good work Ken. I think a latte needs to go up to $3.20 soon espresso stay the same. Milk has gone thru the roof. I heard prices of milk in Germany went up 50 percent.
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Andy
Just moved mine up 20c a couple of weeks ago. No probs.even though lots of competition cheaper
Ken
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Hopefully someone has the guts to put up coffee prices in Melbourne per cup. Its getting damn expensive to make a good cup of coffee!!
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Now that pricing observation is true - why is that?
Why would a cappucino cost just $1.60 in Italy (give or take).
I would have thought the law of one price should hold - at least for the beans.
So that leaves the other bits - labour mainly. Overally, Italy seems to be very good value for Australians (unlike France).
That suggests to me that if they didnt have the Euro, they would have a low lira exchange rate that would make our dollars look good (ie. you would get lots of lira).
As it is, they now have a high exchange rate value Euro, so their price level is low....
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All that sounds familiar. Certainly pushing the coffee to another level in my house (cant say the same for the house price now but - on the way down methinks).
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In Melbourne. Cafe is in Canterbury and customers are a times a little RICH!! Lets say the average property rose by 96 percent in a year!!! Was going up $10000 a week in some places!! Average house went for 1.1 million last year. So i get the occasional lesson in coffee.
But i do know so many baristi in Perth. Pretty impressive team in Perth I must say and only getting better. Perth is a city that is pushing coffee to another level.
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They also pay a lot less.Originally posted by AndyL link=1185414494/30#31 date=1193565187Italians drink better coffee than Australians, I give them that.
I was there a couple of weeks ago: €0.70 for an espresso, €1.00 for a cappuccino. (at the counter)
IMHO weve come a long way in the last 10 years re coffee quality in cafes, but as you say, they have it over us re the coffee they have available to them.
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Careful there Andy - you might start acting like an Italian. No, just joking. ;D
Are you in Perth? Sounds like I need to sample your coffee (un ristretto, per favore).
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Experience is very important and i have many memories of great coffees overseas. I believe the talent of baristi in Australia is pretty amazing and at a higher standard that the Italians. The best Italians baristi would not be able to touch the Aussies or kiwis. Italians drink better coffee than Australians, I give them that.
Slowdown you should see me when a customer tells me how to make coffee. They usually regret it!
Andrew
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I have no idea what the poll question means.
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I agree with you slowdown, and would just like to add for AndyL, that I believe a "great cofffee" transcends what is in the cup. Sure, that is critical, but I would like to add that the experience is very important.
I was once fortunate enough to sit in the square on the Isle of Capri, enjoying a coffee and watching people go by; a stop at a service station produced an espresso where the attendant would have rivalled the flair of a competitor at a world championship; the waiter at a hotel in Florence brought out an espresso for me at breakfast and with a wink, said he had made it a triple for me.
Sometimes, I have the pleasure of making myself a cup of coffee and sitting outside in a nice area of our backyard, and a sip of my coffee can immediately take me back to those places.
All of these coffees were at least technically above average, but to my mind they were great coffees and will live in my memory until the day I die (or till the onset of dementia). Next time you are with a group of people ask them if they recall having had a great coffee and I bet that they will relate it to an experience!
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Wow, was that a rant Andy? If not, Id be interested to hear you when you are really wound up (whoa, hold the skinny decaf)! Still, I suspect your points are probably valid.
That said, we watched a really excellent Australian vid last night about Italian migrants in Australia, called Loves Brother (2004). One of the stars of the film is a late 1950s Gaggia lever coffee machine. I highly recommend this film - it is just great.
Anyway, it got me thinking about how much we owe the Italians for coffee. And also, how for Italians coffee is part of something bigger - la dolce vita!
Anyway, I think there is hope for Italy and great coffee. After all, great coffee is about the beauty of the bean, its flamboyance, the style, the taste, the passion. I think the Italians know lots about all these things. These things are second nature to them. And that must surely lead them on to greater coffee?
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ohh yeah also our customers suck, which in turn makes our coffee suck!! I would love to make coffee for only Italians. Working in an Italian cafe would be soooooo easy. Short black after short black and the occasional milk drink in the morning. No more skinny, soy, hot, chai and 10 large takeaway coffees. Do that in my sleep.
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