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  • #16
    Re: Roasting in a residential area

    Originally posted by lucinda link=1193365321/0#6 date=1193445997
    2) Your neighbours who may experience breathing difficulties as a result of inhaling the fumes from the roaster.
    As it so happens,

    I am a severe chronic asthmatic and if you were doing this in my neighbourhood and causing me grief, I would make it my business to seek you out and bring forth representatives from all the Govt acronyms that may have an interest and when theyre finished with you, my lawyers would be in contact with you seeking recompense for the extra hardship and life endangerment you visited upon my person. If this isnt enough to make you think about doing the right thing then I think you need to keep all future incomprehensible and negligent personal projects to yourself...

    Cheers,
    Mal.

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    • #17
      Re: Roasting in a residential area

      Totally concur Mal - one of my 3yr old boys is asthmatic. Its distressing enough (for him & his parents) to deal with an attack, so such a billowing smoke stack in my neighbouring vicinity would definitely have a petition up & running for immediate closure.

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      • #18
        Re: Roasting in a residential area

        Yes mate,

        Its very distressing when one of your kids has this horrible condition. Our youngest boy had it from a very young age and thankfully, doesnt suffer from it anywhere near as much as he used to. To watch him turn blue and fight for breath is something I wouldnt wish on anyone and if this was due to someone elses utter negligence, then God help them....

        Mal.

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        • #19
          Re: Roasting in a residential area

          Luckily my lads asthma is relatively mild, & we live 5mins from a Childrens Hospital - but he still carries his puffer on him always.

          Fenners, think the possibility of class-action suit as a short answer to your ethical dilemma ...

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          • #20
            Re: Roasting in a residential area

            fenners I was thinking the same as G.O.D.; youve stirred up some passions.
            I also think that 10kg is a bit beyond hobby at this point.

            I was also going to suggest a 2kg roaster would be a smaller toe to dip in the water.

            And as for my opinion on dotting all the Is and crossing all the Ts, Im an auditor so...you guessed it....I say do it.

            Good luck with it too.

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            • #21
              Re: Roasting in a residential area

              Thanks for all your comments, I am wiser for them.
              I would just like to add that I believe many people in this forum need to be more considerate in their responses to peoples posts, particularly newbies. Criticism and disagreement can be written respectfully and I certainly have a greater respect and give more weight to those comments written with decorum.

              Interestingly, today I remembered my visit to the Skybury plantation and chatting to a lady there named Debbie. She raved about Coffeesnobs and how she enjoyed learning so much from this site. So I did a search on her and found that she hasnt posted in almost a year, after Skybury was critically attacked in her post. Her colleague Baristotle who was personally attacked in the same post also hasnt been back.
              I wonder what has happened to them and I find it very unfortunate that they are no longer active members of the forum.
              During my visit to Skybury I noted that Skybury were doing MANY things right and MANY good things for Coffee in this country and better still they were willing to learn more. Why should they only open their doors when they have perfected ALL arts of coffee - who has done this anyway?
              We should be embracing and encouraging newbies, not ripping them down.

              Anyone who visits this forum and takes the time to post obviously wants to improve his/her coffee skills.
              We arent all experts and these skills cant be gained overnight.

              I only hope as I become a greater part of this coffeesnob culture that I remember that we are all coffee LOVERS!
              PEACE!

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              • #22
                Re: Roasting in a residential area


                I suggest you return your initial post in this thread to see why you attracted the response you got.

                To paraphrase:

                "I want to annoy my neighbours and do something that is both silly, known to be illegal and will show home coffee roasters in the worst possible light"

                Did you really hope to get positive pats on the back?

                If you start a new thread asking for suggestions about setting-up a legitimate roastery Im sure the responses would be far better!

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                • #23
                  Re: Roasting in a residential area

                  Quite a good post and some valid points made.
                  However, the auditor that I am has to disagree with one thing you said.

                  Originally posted by fenners link=1193365321/15#20 date=1193573384
                  Anyone who visits this forum and takes the time to post obviously wants to improve his/her coffee skills.
                  Some come here to push their own agenda.
                  Sometimes its obvious at other times not.
                  They come and go quickly.

                  The ones that stick around really do have something to contribute and learn.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Roasting in a residential area

                    I think that paraphrase is most unfair, particularly from a member of Admin.
                    I wish it to be made clear that I am trying to do the right thing here and thats why I posed the question - perhaps not worded correctly - but with attempts to clarify myself I had hoped you would all read it as I intended.
                    Anyway, whether or not I am a fool I still maintain that there is a right way to tell someone and a wrong way.

                    I would like to add that I have contacted the EPA and there are no guidelines available for setting up a coffee roaster nor any other guidelines that would be suitable. I was advised to go back to council and speak to the planning department. I asked what would happen if I began roasting and someone made a complaint and was told that they would refer the matter back to council.
                    I then spoke to council and was told that I do not require a permit because my floor space is less than one third of my property, I wont have two or more employees and I wont have people come to my property to buy the beans. They were supportive of my idea and wished me every success.
                    I never intend to break the law, but my post was made because of horror stories about my local council and the difficulties they have caused other startup businesses re. planning permits. There is a definite grey area with coffee roasters that start as a hobby and I wanted to hear about some real life experiences from other roasters that have started this way so I could perhaps prepare an argument for council.
                    As it turned out I had no issues whatsoever and a very pleasant experience with the council and with the EPA and while I enjoy hearing others opinions you cant beat getting the facts straight from the horses mouth!

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                    • #25
                      Re: Roasting in a residential area

                      Originally posted by fenners link=1193365321/15#23 date=1193620067
                      I think that paraphrase is most unfair, particularly from a member of Admin.
                      .....I was advised to go back to council and speak to the planning department. I asked what would happen if I began roasting and someone made a complaint and was told that they would refer the matter back to council....
                      For me Fenners, there lies the issue...

                      Councils are notorious for changing their minds. You may find that the planning dept. has a different view.

                      Nevertheless, good luck which ever way you ultimately proceed.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Roasting in a residential area

                        fenners, Id be getting what Council said in writing... then move forward... Chris is correct, Councils are horror stories just be being councils and WILL change there minds.

                        Humour... Go ask Senator Bob Brown if he supports you? hehehehe, if we all submitted to his train of thought, this country would be 3rd world in economic scale... sorry... went off topic... sorta... ;-)

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                        • #27
                          Re: Roasting in a residential area

                          Good luck with the home roasting fenners, the only advice Ill give is that a reputation takes a lifetime to build and a few seconds to destroy - Id recommend starting small even if you dont foresee problems with the council!

                          <OT>

                          Originally posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1193365321/0#7 date=1193450054
                          There is a great case study in Tasmania with a roaster who had done all of the required homework and got everything in order. He still rubbed the locals up the wrong way. I suggest you find it and read it as a matter of extreme urgency.
                          FWIW, I wouldnt take the Oomph experience as a general case study. Battery Point has to be the hardest suburb in Australia to get a business off the ground simply because the Battery Point Planning Commission exists to prevent any progress or change in the suburb. As pointed out in the Coffeegeeks thread, theyve also shut down a florist and chocolatier in Hampten road. They are currently fighting tooth-and-nail to stop a foreshore walkway that would cut across the absolute waterfront of some of Hobarts most expensive properties. :

                          </OT>

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                          • #28
                            Re: Roasting in a residential area

                            Originally posted by MarcS link=1193365321/15#25 date=1193621942
                            Humour... Go ask Senator Bob Brown if he supports you? hehehehe, if we all submitted to his train of thought, this country would be 3rd world in economic scale... sorry... went off topic... sorta... ;-)
                            Thems fighting words

                            But lets not get political - enough angst flying around in this thread already!

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                            • #29
                              Re: Roasting in a residential area

                              That Oomph case was an joke and VERY unaustralian. Im really pleased they got through it.

                              OK, no more fighting words... I do feel itis relevant though in the context of this discussion regards EPAs/\/Councils etc...

                              This country needs to be pro small business, and should be.

                              Andy, how did you get through your process of installing your Has-Garanti 10KG jobby with Council...

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                              • #30
                                Re: Roasting in a residential area

                                Originally posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1193365321/15#24 date=1193621018
                                Councils are notorious for changing their minds. You may find that the planning dept. has a different view.
                                Great points. Fenners, if you havent already done so, could I suggest that you get all of your correspondence with the council and the EPA down in writing. That way at least you have something to fall back on when and if they change their mind.

                                The council and EPA will tell you what the regulations are, but in terms of safety I really think that you ought to contact some professional roasters who have experienced roaster fires. And by that, I mean actually make the trip to go and visit them, check out their equipment and talk to them in person.

                                I still maintain that there is a right way to tell someone and a wrong way.
                                Well, I hope that this is the right way to tell you this ...

                                On the other forum, you got a response from a well respected professional roaster that included, amongst the rest of it, this:

                                Start half arsed stay half arsed.. thats just my thoughts..
                                In this thread you had a response from another experienced and well respected commercial roaster: (;P)

                                If you start a new thread asking for suggestions about setting-up a legitimate roastery Im sure the responses would be far better!
                                Then you had a deity say this:

                                Some come here to push their own agenda.
                                Sometimes its obvious at other times not.
                                They come and go quickly.

                                The ones that stick around really do have something to contribute and learn.
                                The question that no-one is asking seems to be this: Professional roasters spend years learning how to extract, taste and roast coffee. You bought a domestic espresso machine and grinder this month. So how are you going to actually learn what you need to in order to be able to sell coffee to your customers with a straight face?

                                Im sorry to put it bluntly like that, but I think that a lot of the responses that you have gotten have to be put in the context of not understanding that rather fundamental aspect of your plan. And Im sure that youll find no shortage of people who would be more than happy to help you out if youre prepared to put the work in, but in the absence of any idea that you are actually prepared to do the hard yards (or have already done them), I think that you would have to expect some measure of cynicism.

                                Cheers,

                                Luca

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