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  • What is a Ristretto?

    I was at a place that serves coffee tonight, and was bluntly told by someone that has 10 years experience making coffee around the world that a Ristretto was the "Middle" part of a pour.
    From what I have read, and the way that I have been trained, the first 15-20ml of the pour is whats known as a Ristretto.
    Its a restricted pour, thus being a Ristretto.
    I go to places where they know more about coffee than I will ever know, and watch them pour my coffee, and I have never seen a Middle pour.
    Which of us is right?

  • #2
    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    Ristretto--restricted.
    Usually restricted to the first part of the shot, i.e. pour cut short, but I guess they could define it any way they wanted.
    How did it taste?
    Greg

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    • #3
      Re: What is a Ristretto?

      After being told that I had no idea what I was talking about, i went elsewhere.
      Maybe if I had have dropped the big names, or had have made coffee around the world, I might know more....
      Can you tell Im not that impressed...

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      • #4
        Re: What is a Ristretto?

        AHHH! theres nothing like good customer relations!
        Greg

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        • #5
          Re: What is a Ristretto?

          And the customer relations where sadly lacking at that shop, which is surprising, as it always seems to be full of people....
          The uneducated masses-Sheep...

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          • #6
            Re: What is a Ristretto?

            Hi Ghost....

            If you do a search of the forum for "Ristretto" Im sure you will glean a wealth of info on the subject. As youve already gathered, nothing is set in concrete where coffee is concerned...

            Cheers,
            Mal.

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            • #7
              Re: What is a Ristretto?

              I asked for a Ristretto once and they said they didnt have rice dishes on the menu!!!

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              • #8
                Re: What is a Ristretto?

                Originally posted by greenman link=1220016954/0#6 date=1220049308
                I asked for a Ristretto once and they said they didnt have rice dishes on the menu!!!
                Haha
                Thats funny ;D

                KK

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                • #9
                  Re: What is a Ristretto?

                  Originally posted by greenman link=1220016954/0#6 date=1220049308
                  I asked for a Ristretto once and they said they didnt have rice dishes on the menu!!!
                  Having a mild form of dyslexia, spelling and pronouncing some words get me into strife..

                  I have on a number of occasions made a mess of;

                  1: Ristretto and asked for a well known rice disk :-)
                  2: Affogato in addition to which my mother says as Affo Farto

                  A restricted time ie. the first 2/3 of the standard time.

                  However, I also insist that it be from a full double shot and not a single...

                  As to the middle... I guess some could do it and promote a unique coffee shot... But hell, why waist the first few drops :-) My taste buds would knot know the diff.

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                  • #10
                    Re: What is a Ristretto?

                    Originally posted by Ghost Who Walks link=1220016954/0#0 date=1220016953
                    I was at a place that serves coffee tonight, and was bluntly told by someone that has 10 years experience making coffee around the world that a Ristretto was the "Middle" part of a pour.
                    From what I have read, and the way that I have been trained, the first 15-20ml of the pour is whats known as a Ristretto.
                    Its a restricted pour, thus being a Ristretto.
                    I go to places where they know more about coffee than I will ever know, and watch them pour my coffee, and I have never seen a Middle pour.
                    Which of us is right?
                    I thought thats called a middle pour ristretto.
                    To be honest the guy sounds like a dick.

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                    • #11
                      Re: What is a Ristretto?

                      I digress somewhat...

                      To me a ristretto is a double shot (14g) of coffee extracted in over 15s (varies by bean.. and how long post-roast the bean has matured), and the shot is "restricted" far before it turns pale/watery --> the opposite of a lungo.

                      It emphasizes the body of the coffee and subdues the acidic notes. It is very savoury/umami and intense, rather than sour or bitter.


                      A ristretto requires grinder recalibration to prolong the time to blonding and to get the ~25-30ml in a proper ~30s pour time.

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                      • #12
                        Re: What is a Ristretto?

                        Originally posted by cyrilgoldenrock link=1220016954/0#9 date=1220064748
                        Originally posted by Ghost Who Walks link=1220016954/0#0 date=1220016953
                        I was at a place that serves coffee tonight, and was bluntly told by someone that has 10 years experience making coffee around the world that a Ristretto was the "Middle" part of a pour.
                        From what I have read, and the way that I have been trained, the first 15-20ml of the pour is whats known as a Ristretto.
                        Its a restricted pour, thus being a Ristretto.
                        I go to places where they know more about coffee than I will ever know, and watch them pour my coffee, and I have never seen a Middle pour.
                        Which of us is right?
                        I thought thats called a middle pour ristretto.
                        To be honest the guy sounds like a dick.
                        Actually it was a girl, who didnt look old enough to have worked around the world as a Barista...
                        But then, what would I know? Im only a member of the public, Not a Barista....

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                        • #13
                          Re: What is a Ristretto?

                          What is a Ristretto?
                          ...what you get when you order an espresso from most of the well known Baristas?
                          (they are getting better though)

                          My take on a Ristretto is the same amount of ground coffee and the same pour time as an espresso but its restricted to half the volume.
                          (it could be a finer grind or an updose or a heavier tamp to get the same punchline in a different way)

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                          • #14
                            Re: What is a Ristretto?

                            If you ask for a ristretto at a good coffee shop you should get the best of what they have to offer in a shot I reckon - tight short pour with heaps of rich flavour and low or nil acidity. I ask for them at Naked Coffee or Campos and dont get blank looks...just a very nice coffee. I normally pour ristrettos at home. I love them and even in a standard (itialian standard not typical Australian - except the better cafes) flat white. In slightly larger milk coffees I still like the smoothness of them, although I know a lot of people who prefer the full volume to cut through the milk. Having said that you can always pour a double ristretto for that larger milk coffee...

                            Cheers

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                            • #15
                              Re: What is a Ristretto?

                              Hi Ghost

                              My understanding of a ristretto that it is a restricted short black - its just the crema of the espresso, served in a warmed demi-tasse cup.

                              This is about 15ml, and extraction time is 15 seconds - made under correct tamping and grind conditions.
                              As for gram age, if I ordered one out in a espresso bar/cafe,
                              I would expect a double = 16gm (8gm per 15ml) any more ground coffee in the basket will result in a over the top syrupy espresso, and can end up tasting like Bonox instead of a sweet mind blowing coffee!

                              Bean quality and roasting if not perfect will reduce the viciousness’ and mls of the crema.

                              I hope this information is helpful to your quest!

                              warm regards,

                              Mahalia



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