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  • #16
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    Even so,

    I wouldnt be happy to spot a barista who was making a coffee for me or mine, poking his fingers in and around the PF just before pulling the shot. I dont do it and I would expect the same from anyone preparing foodstuffs in a commercial situation.... regardless of the affect of hot water on little nasties,

    Mal.

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    • #17
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      Originally posted by 4E63676B660A0 link=1241046158/15#15 date=1241329706
      Even so,

      I wouldnt be happy to spot a barista who was making a coffee for me or mine, poking his fingers in and around the PF just before pulling the shot. I dont do it and I would expect the same from anyone preparing foodstuffs in a commercial situation.... regardless of the affect of hot water on little nasties,

      Mal.
      That may be fine for the coffee, but where have their hands been and what else do they touch... The outside of teh Mug / cup as well.. Then you pick it up and transfer

      We did an experiment in one of the labs that was having issues with DNA carry over.. No that is touchy..

      Stained one persons hands in the morning and scanned every one that evening and the next morning..

      Needless to say some very interesting and disturbing results.. Why to men always end up touching the front and rear of themselves SO much Then, some staff from sections far removed from the experiment also showed staining.. Interesting just how far some things travel..

      6 degrees of separation

      Some even returned the next day... Still stained... Did they ever wash ?

      AM

      PS. Of to pick my nose and go to the loo... OH, have to make coffee for guests as well.

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      • #18
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        AM
        Thats serious and seriously funny at he same time

        A comedian can have a field day with this material
        KK

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        • #19
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          Originally posted by 507D797578140 link=1241046158/15#15 date=1241329706
          I wouldnt be happy to spot a barista who was making a coffee for me or mine, poking his fingers in and around the PF just before pulling the shot.
          Youre kidding me right?! Previous to the age of timed grinders just about every single competitor who made it to the finals of every WBC used their fingers in some sort of dose distribution including world champions Klaus Thompson, Tim Wendelboe, Paul Basset, James Hoffman (no, not when he used the k30s) not to mention a plethora of other baristas such as David Makin, Scottie Callaghan, Sammy picolo, Carl Sarah, the list goes on and on and on and on. :-?

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          • #20
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            I like the phrase, "Clean enough to be healthy, dirty enough to be fun." Sometimes I think weve become so sterile, that we dont get the opportunity to build up any resistance to bugs. So, I dont think Im precious enough to think I might die if a basket has been scraped off with someones finger, though I do appreciate cleanliness.

            At work, the coffee is ground into the basket and tamped. I dont stick my fingers in it. Apart from temperature, my glasswasher is loaded with a chlorinated detergent. I know of some places that rely on the water alone to do the job.

            Anyway, Im pretty glad to think if I ever need surgery, the instruments have been through an autoclave rather than rinsed off from the group of an espresso machine. ;D



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            • #21
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              ;D

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              • #22
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                AM, as usual your post is just priceless.

                Keep em coming. ;D

                Mal

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                • #23
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                  Yeah well,

                  I was alluding to the fact that we dont know just how seriously complete strangers take their personal hygiene.... Ive got enough problems to be concerned about without picking up something extra and unwanted

                  Mal.

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                  • #24
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                    Originally posted by 777A7977150 link=1241046158/21#21 date=1241343024
                    AM, as usual your post is just priceless.

                    Keep em coming.  ;D

                    Mal
                    Originally posted by 517C787479150 link=1241046158/22#22 date=1241361883
                    Yeah well,

                    I was alluding to the fact that we dont know just how seriously complete strangers take their personal hygiene.... Ive got enough problems to be concerned about without picking up something extra and unwanted

                    Mal.

                    Mal.... OLD age, will not be kept a bay.. 8-) 8-) The problem is you already have caught it

                    They say coffee is helpfully but it is not working too well for me..

                    My Wife also reckons that she has caught enough from me over the years and after coming down with two kids... Does her best to keep well away from me

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                    • #25
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                      Just tell her constant exposure creates resistance. ;D ;D

                      Old age isnt catching but it seems to affect everyone eventually. The good thing about it is that we have made it to our age (whatever that may be) those who are younger still have to get there. Half the fun is the journey.

                      In respect to the topic - I avoid coffess houses where I am suspect of their hygiene practices - I have seen some grotty shops over the years, I do like to see sparkling stainless. However a busy shop may look untidy (coffee grounds on the bench etc but it should not be dirty. If one uses their own finger to spead the grinds for their own coffee I would expect they have already been exposed to the germs comntained thereon. However when making coffee for others I use a clean spatula/straight edge to clear the top.

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                      • #26
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                        Lets see,

                        In most coffee shops distribution is mostly done by hand, whether it is stockfleth, NSEW or one of many others. I and everyone else I know keeps their hands as clean as possible. Using an implement adds time (mostly where did I put that damn spatula etc.) and I find using my hands lets me feel a better distribution any way.  Last Friday I burned through around 4kg - 5kg of coffee and had a continous 5 hours (no breaks even to pull a shot for myself) of pulling shots. If I had any extra time spent on distro I would have fallen further and further behind leaving customers without a coffee for longer and longer. I will continue to use my hands thank you very much.

                        The only bad thing about using hands from distro is how having to continuously touch and press a very hot pf (particularly if you have been favouring  one group and suddenly using another to run two shots at the same time - yowch)

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                        • #27
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                          First post! Yay!

                          I quite agree with you Martial Monkey. I use Stockfleths move and in a commercial envioronment you have to be fast and consistent. I pretty much find anything using a tool too fiddly and slow, and anything less of distribution too inconsistent. My stockfleth looks a little different to the one illustrated in the 5 senses article (a little less hand coverage!). My boss used to use stockfleths move; he now uses the "Chicago Chop", mainly because he was getting a sore wrist.

                          I also agree with Dennis. If we box ourselves into a pristine, sterile environment well either eventually be living in safety suits or well drop dead as soon as we walk out the front door.

                          I like to think Im hygienic. I try to wash my hands as often as I can, in between rushes of drinks. I have no problem with a barista who uses their hands. If I see those techniques I will already be hopefully looking forward to a tasty coffee!

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                          • #28
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                            i used to coat my right (stockfleth-favouring) hand in raspberry essense, to faciliate the presence of berry-fruit in my heavy bodied chocolate laden short blacks.... :P

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                            • #29
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                              Originally posted by 263B3F3A3131540 link=1241046158/27#27 date=1241522561
                              i used to coat my right (stockfleth-favouring) hand in raspberry essense, to faciliate the presence of berry-fruit in my heavy bodied chocolate laden short blacks.... :P
                              Damn, I wish Id thought of that!

                              ;D

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