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**melicious** · 1 May 2009, 12:15 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

I think its a good idea, particularly for mods/tips to sort them into one easy to find place, but would take some time and effort to get together.

**Koffee_Kosmo** · 1 May 2009, 12:55 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

A Wiki has been done before on Andys Green Bean Bay notes for bean flavour profiles

However hackers and spammers have killed it a few times

We had a vigorous discussion about a similar proposal (forum based) started by Flynn_aus but more for beginers and links provided to a particular subject for more information

The post was Coffee Snobs Home Truths
http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1224157582/42#42

KK

**melicious** · 1 May 2009, 01:27 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

Well thats a shame

**flynnaus** · 1 May 2009, 01:48 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

Originally posted by 464E47424842445E582B0 link=1241140296/3#3 date=1241144820

Well thats a shame

What, Flynn-auss Home Truths or the old wiki being hacker-friendly? :-/

CS, being a forum, lends itself well to the posting format as a means of sharing info and Im not sure a wiki is required. If someone updates a wiki, others may object or try to change the wiki to suit their own view rather than posting their suggestion for debate.

**A_M** · 1 May 2009, 01:55 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

Originally posted by 46626B6B68685246627E60620D0 link=1241140296/2#2 date=1241142931

A Wiki has been done before on Andys Green Bean Bay notes for bean flavour profiles

However hackers and spammers have killed it a few times

We had a vigorous discussion about a similar proposal (forum based) started by Flynn_aus but more for beginers and links provided to a particular subject for more information

The post was Coffee Snobs Home Truths
http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1224157582/42#42

KK

AND

Originally posted by 606861646E6462787E0D0 link=1241140296/3#3 date=1241144820

Well thats a shame

I get frustrated with people who do not read or research and then post asking CSs to tell them how long their piece of string is.. :-?

KK has already stated one reason, the other is that people that do not know; do not know, it is a catch 22. Thus no matter what you / we / Andy does... They do not know and will bypass almost every bit of help other systems may provide...

Typical.. First post is..

What coffee machine should I buy ???
OR
I can not get good coffee what is wrong with my machine????

CS people do their best.... Then the same question will be asked in the next post by another new user..

Coffee Snobs Home Truths http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1224157582/42#42

Is a great start but who knows it is there ? Make it a sticky... But first time users or nubes will not read..

They just want a quick fix and post away...

Even when you do provide info, many never return (There OK or NOT) and thus your never sure that what you advised was of assistance....

I did up a check list / form for teh Em6910 with a reply that sent there responses back.. But where does one host it (A downloads section) and then you still have to reply and tell people where it is.. :-[

The search engine is Good (not great but good) and if you know how to use Google it will search CS for you, as well... 8-) 8-) 8-)

Problem is most people are not IT aware (Think they are) and thus blame the tools... Not unlike blaming their equipment when THEY can not make a coffee...

End of RANT...

Had enough IT issues lately to want to support any process that requires people to sit an Exam and get a licence B4 being allowed to buy a PC.. 8-)

**melicious** · 1 May 2009, 02:09 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

Originally posted by 6E64716666697D7B080 link=1241140296/4#4 date=1241146127

Originally posted by 464E47424842445E582B0 link=1241140296/3#3 date=1241144820

Well thats a shame

What, Flynn-auss Home Truths or the old wiki being hacker-friendly? :-/

I meant the hacking/spamming of the wiki. Granted this is a common problem with the very idea of what a wiki is, I would still have thought maybe the general type of d*ckhead who spams up a place might not bother ruining what is after all just a very specific interest groups information hub.

But I guess the jerks come in every flavour of the rainbow.

**Dennis** · 1 May 2009, 02:17 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

lol AM. Are you sure youre managing that anger? ;D

We have a shelf in the pantry that has a gazillion jars of spices on it. Nothing but spices. There arent that many spices in the whole world. Every time a recipe requires a spice, my lovely Sue buys a new, fresh jar that is the same as the other 10 jars of the same spice we have in the pantry.

Perhaps its just human nature and easier to ask than to research?

Anyone know where I can get some spice that I might not already have?

**flynnaus** · 1 May 2009, 02:29 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

Originally posted by 5F575E5B515B5D4741320 link=1241140296/6#6 date=1241147351

I meant the hacking/spamming of the wiki.

I knew that. Hence my follow up response

Originally posted by 76575C5C5B41320 link=1241140296/7#7 date=1241147861

Anyone know where I can get some spice that I might not already have?

Sure, try here

Originally posted by 735C5557407F535C5355575F575C46320 link=1241140296/5#5 date=1241146502

Thus no matter what you / we / Andy does... They do not know and will bypass almost every bit of help other systems may provide.

I think thats the crutch...err crux of the problem AM. The first post they get from Andy is "Dont be shy, say something" (or similar) so the first thing theyll post is the question that caused them to discover CS in the first place.

My suggestion was to have the Home Truths created as a PDF which Andy could attach to the Welcome message but they were not complete and my requests for contributions was not responded to.

**A_M** · 1 May 2009, 02:36 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

Originally posted by 646E7B6C6C637771020 link=1241140296/8#8 date=1241148556

My suggestion was to have the Home Truths created as a PDF which Andy could attach to the Welcome message but they were not complete and my requests for contributions was not responded to.

Yea or even have them answer some questions as to Machine / beans etc etc so that it would force them to populate or think first..

But if they are like me ;D I just put in any thing, do not read and then use any other trick to allow me to get access to a forum..

However I do try to research and provide or the RELEVANT details before posting away...

I am not Angry... Just pissed... No one ever want to see me Angry... They only ever get to see it ONCE :-*

Originally posted by 6F676E6B616B6D7771020 link=1241140296/6#6 date=1241147351

fter all just a very specific interest groups information hub.

Even more reason... Spammers are after hits, Hackers after addresses and data etc.. That then allows them to take the next step... Thus any system that is not locked down is FAIR game... > 90% of all network trafic is SPAM

**Dennis** · 1 May 2009, 02:59 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

I have a solution:

Have TG answer all the repeat questions. It will help keep his post count up. ;D

**Koffee_Kosmo** · 1 May 2009, 03:25 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

Originally posted by 60414A4A4D57240 link=1241140296/10#10 date=1241150362

I have a solution:

Have TG answer all the repeat questions. It will help keep his post count up. ;D

That statement may send your function & BBQ co ordinator to go AWAL or missing in action at the next open day

KK

**cksyd** · 1 May 2009, 03:26 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

Originally posted by 1D323B392E113D323D3B39313932285C0 link=1241140296/5#5 date=1241146502

Had enough IT issues lately to want to support any process that requires people to sit an Exam and get a licence B4 being allowed to buy a PC.. 8-)

Hey, come on AM, everyone should be allowed to have one of those neat slidey out cup holder thingies...

Chris

...sorry, back on topic now....

**Dimal** · 1 May 2009, 05:55 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

Interesting and humorous ~~rants~~ comments... ;D

I guess all we can ever hope to do, is to help newbies find the information for themselves via one or both of the methods mentioned by AM. Maybe even to the extent of doing the first search for them just to demonstrate how easy it is.

If after this, they still cant find the answers theyre seeking, then often someone has already covered the topic in great detail on another website, such as Home Barista or Randys "Espresso! My Espresso!" just to name a couple of the better ones around. Anyway, you get the drift.... If after all of this, they still cant locate the answers theyre looking for, then we always do our best. One of the great things about the CoffeeSnobs Community I believe.

Most of us have been in a newbies shoes at one stage or another so we know what it feels like. Im really not into hand-holding as such but going that extra step to help someone seems to be something that most CSers dont mind doing and will keep on doing. Dont think there is anything to prevent us from keeping that tradition going.... Unless something better DOES come along

Mal.

**bolb** · 1 May 2009, 10:32 PM

Re: CoffeeSnobs Articles Idea

Im with you AM, great post, its just how i feel today after a staff member quit on me this week.
People are too lazy to search, they want everything yesterday and think everything is so simple "whats the problem they say"

Just like with IT they think its all like a toaster from Hardly Norman.

But on the otherhand as Mal rightly says, people need to be encouraged and nurtured into the forum and it amazes me how many times i read a post where my answer would "use the search function" but users like Mal, TG and others too many to mention caugh up a wonderfull reply that includes a polite comment about using the search function as well next time.

Perhaps i just dont have the patience anymore :-/ but i am glad of those of you who do.

But back on topic.
Creating yet another function to do what is essentially already here just doesnt make sense, plus its too time consuming

My 2C
Mal

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