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  • Andy
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    I edit in highlights for those that skim read threads.

    That way I can prove to the coroner we tried to dicourage doing something stupid.

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  • Craig_Ward
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    I think what is needed is some science here...

    Amps = Watts / Volts

    So to work out if you can put your machine on a 10Amp circuit look at the compliance plate to find the Watts,  divide this by volts (obviously 240V) and you will find the amperage draw.
    Or alternately as we know both the Amps of the power point circuit (10A) and the volts (240V) its not too hard to fuigure out the maximum wattage of an appliance on a standard power point is 2400 Watts

    If you cant figure out how to reduce the power (watts) consumption of the machine to 2400W or less, dont run it on a 10amp circuit. It is dangerous even for a short time.

    Cheers Craig

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  • Andy
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    This is one of the more idiotic threads on the forum.

    If the pictures of molten plugs and sockets dont put you off then feel free to try my "fork n coathanger" adaptor.

    15 amp is 15 amp

    10 amp is 10 amp

    Getting creative and making your own rules will result in tears (or worse).


    THREAD LOCKED as nothing good can come of encouraging people who dont know better to do really stupid, dangerous and illegal things.

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  • Clinto
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    PERHAPS IF YOU NEED TO ASK THIS, YOU PROBABLY SHOULD NOT TRY IT YOURSELF

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  • bassway
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    Originally posted by 7B575E5E5D5D67685D4A59380 link=1288699963/16#16 date=1288843818
    I use a 2 group espresso machine at home. I just replaced the older 15 Amp plug with a 10 Amp plug. It works, no problem so far. But I certainly  don`t recommend it.
    And here are my pics to back up beanflying!

    This is of a 15Amp lead with a 10Amp plug. I use it for a machine that only has a 2800Watt element.
    But at an event ran out of leads. At that event it was plugged into a 15Amp socket but I was using a different machine, has a 4500Watt element. Only made 300 coffees but 250 of them were in 90 minutes.... I stopped the machine twice as I was going too fast for it
    The socket outlet was fine.

    Wont be using this lead again until I change the plug.




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  • Clinto
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    At the risk of upsetting some people.  You can go and buy yourself a 10am plug from bunnings, and refer to this page on how to rewire it correctly.

    http://www.accesscomms.com.au/reference/powerplug.htm

    At the end of the day, a 15 amp plug is just a dedicated line back to the fuse box. They have a bigger earth on 15 amp plugs only to stop people plugging them into 10amp sockets.  A dremel will quickly turn your 15amp into a 10amp plug.   Generally a 10amp plug is just a series of outlets going back to the same fuse.  You generally have a 20amp fuse on a 10amp and 15amp socket sometimes a 30amp fuse.  But I guess like everyone else says just because you can...

    Although a sustained draw at 19amps may be enough to melt insulation on wires and start a fire.  All this is determined by the amount of resistance in the wires.  The greater the resistance the greater the heat output.  At the risk of simplification, resistance will increase as wire size reduces and over distance.  So a long thin cable will heat up more than a short thick cable with the same amount of amperage put through it.

    I work in Indonesia a bit, and the owners of this bar I fequent couldnt work out why this light kept melting the speaker wires they were using to plug it in...  Fortunately for them it would trip the fuse before it started a fire.

    I have a Expobar Minore at home, which was on the same fuse, as a dishwasher, fridge, washing machine and dryer.  Turning all of those on at once would trip the power.  So you can easily draw more than 10 amps with a few household appliances.

    I had run a 3 group cimbali on a 10amp socket.  Admittedly only for testing, and at a factory unit I have so not alot to burn.  The plug was only 3m from the fuse box.   I had a fire extinquisher nearby for that test.

    I later dropped elements, simply by unplugging the wires from the elements.  To do that I had all the covers off anyway, so just removed the plastic cover over the ements at the end of the boiler and pulled out the plugs.  You just need to tape them up with insulation tape as they will still be active.

    Again an element of common sense is required here.  If you are comfortabel and understand the basics of electricity it shouldnt be an issue.  If you dont then I wouldnt recomend it.  Anytime you touch anything electrcial or even pull the covers off your machine, make double sure you have the plug out of the wall.  Maybe get yourself a safety switch installed too

    Note the above is merely for information purposes only,  you should have a qualified elctrician (which I am not, so dont take my advice) perform any of this work.

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  • beanflying
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    Originally posted by 163A333330300A05302734550 link=1288699963/16#16 date=1288843818
    I justreplaced the older 15 Amp plug with a 10 Ampplug .
    See the above why not to do it. The easy way to fix it for a domestic situation is to get a sparky to make the line to the kitchen bench a dedicated 15A run just for the machine and fit a single 15A power outlet to it which is what I have had done (as a renter). If you own the place not to do it is a really bad idea.

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  • TC
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    Originally posted by 4F636A6A6969535C697E6D0C0 link=1288699963/16#16 date=1288843818
    I  use  a  2 group esprsso machine  at home.  I just  replaced the older 15 Amp plug with a 10 Amp  plug . It works , no problem so far. But  I certainly  don`t recommend it . I   don`t  use kettle, AC, toaster ,etc,  when it is on.  
    Your insurance company will be delighted (and well within their rights) to refuse the claim if/when your house burns down.

    If it hasnt been reconfigured to 10A by isolating some element, dont do it unless you have aspirations of becoming the next nomination for a Darwin award... :

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  • Coffee_Pera
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    I use a 2 group esprsso machine at home. I just replaced the older 15 Amp plug with a 10 Amp plug . It works , no problem so far. But I certainly don`t recommend it . I don`t use kettle, AC, toaster ,etc, when it is on.

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  • whitie8000@hotmail
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    This type of occasion is a once off, and I was too do something like this again, I will be better prepared (different machine with 10amp, or generator etc)

    Im not too fussed about the slow recovery or heatup, again its only for family (their not allowed to complain as their getting free coffee).

    Great idea for future reference though to have a switch installed, but for now I would be happy to pop the top.

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  • beanflying
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    Temporarily ignoring safety concerns you have a 2 leg (not 3) element so dropping the power will be by half. This will be ok for home use or a small gathering and will get you around the 10A thing easily. Boiler recovery time and initial heatup will be really slow.

    As a suggestion for you spend the $$ and pay to get it done correctly and have an appropriate key switch (or similar) added to the machine to switch in or out the extra element without having to pop the top each time you want to run at home etc.

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  • whitie8000@hotmail
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    Whats Involved?

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  • A_M
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    Originally posted by 706F6E736E623F373737476F68736A666E6B070 link=1288699963/11#11 date=1288781746
    If I need an electrician to do it, I dont think I will bother, as I would like to keep the Expobar as a dedicated 15amp for my future plans, I thought it was just removing one of the wires which would have dropped the watts down and simpliy re-connecting the wire to have it back to 15amps, oviously not!

    Thanks for all the advice!
    It can be that simple but if done incorrectly you could cause major problems.. Or even kill your self or some one else.

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  • whitie8000@hotmail
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    If I need an electrician to do it, I dont think I will bother, as I would like to keep the Expobar as a dedicated 15amp for my future plans, I thought it was just removing one of the wires which would have dropped the watts down and simpliy re-connecting the wire to have it back to 15amps, oviously not!

    Thanks for all the advice!

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  • A_M
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    Originally posted by 302F2E332E227F777777072F28332A262E2B470 link=1288699963/9#9 date=1288780472
    Thanks heaps for this information! When I say little to no stress I mean, stupid me put my hand up to make espresso for my family, occassion birthday party. I wont even do 20 coffees I dare say.

    Just un-plugging an element, is it as easy as un-plugging one of the cords that are connected to the boiler elements? Tried to put a picture up but bloody technology has let me down. The Expobar has Four wires going into the boiler element, which one do I dis-connect?
    Get an electrician in and do it right...

    Any thing else is just plain risky and dangerous...  


    (It is all related to safe working practices and knowledge of said systems and electrical supply - you sound like you light on in both - so get a Qualified person)

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