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Some interesting numbers there.
450 coffees per day from 45 kg (I'm assuming they are all ~ 20g shots - although I prefer mine as doubles).
At the going rate in Perth (~$4 for a small) thats $500k of coffee a year... Is that typical?
Assuming those numbers are correct, a single barista would be pumping out a coffee every single minute, every hour, every day of every week of the year. Talk about busy!
None of the espresso places I frequent are ever that consistently busy (and most have 2-3 baristas working together).
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I do approx. 7 kilo's a day at my workplace..
what am i worth?
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My response was specifically about where you put the more skilled barista when two up on a machine. I stand by my comment that some equipment that helps enable consistency can help swing that balance. I use both a Linea a Robur E and a Robur doser at work.
To be honest I found your comment about "the internets favourite equipment" a little out of line.
When under the pump with 20 people waiting for coffee the Robur E is an absolute lifesaver. It does not make life easier simply because the internet says it does. I couldnt care less what "the internet" says about it.
It takes 5 seconds and only one hand to get the coffee dosed and distributed, I then tamp the mound. I have pulled many shots done like this with a Naked porta filter. The shots look great.
With the doser I would say it takes closer to 20 seconds to do all this. It takes practice to prevent wastage, it take care and practice to get an even looking extraction on the naked portafilter. Imo it takes a very highly skilled barista with a refined technique to get more consistency dosing manual then from the E.
The same goes for big dual boilers compared a spluttery HX (obviously there are some good HX machines out there too) You can get great shots from both, but it takes more skill to do it all day long on lesser equipment.
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Rubbish. It will take as much training and supervision and hard work and time as with any equipment.......Originally posted by 2C34313124351E2C202F7776410 link=1337605623/14#14 date=1337689109[/QUOTEIt depends on the equipment you are using, ie a Robur E with a temperature stable machine like a Linea, will not take much training......
....and, what Chris (cjn) wrote...."...Hmm... Sorry, but I disagree......To assume that a newb will have shots mastered if they have the "right equipment" and tamp. Sorry, but nope...."
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Hmm... Sorry, but I disagree.Originally posted by 6870757560715A68646B3332050 link=1337605623/14#14 date=1337689109It depends on the equipment you are using, ie a Robur E with a temperature stable machine like a Linea, will not take much training so long as the person pulling shots is being supervised and has a consistent tamp.
I have been pulling shots since I was a kid and there is still rarely a week where I dont learn something about espresso and revisit what I do in some way or another. To assume that a newb will have shots mastered if they have the "right equipment" and tamp. Sorry, but nope.
The milk learning curve may be steeper but its also shorter. Microfoam is achievable pretty quickly. Its refinement and pour skills from there.
Espresso is the foundation of all milky coffees and if the person doesnt have the skills to diagnose and adjust on the fly, the foundation is sure to crumble and its game over and youre losing money...Espresso is not to be trivialised.
This introduces another level of difficulty as you then need to assume consistent dosing and the skills to manage distribution etc. Its also likely to lead to much more waste.Originally posted by 647076766C60677062626464050 link=1337605623/15#15 date=1337693468Yes, most likely the Linea or the FB 80 + Robur (non-E)
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Originally posted by 08272D30490 link=1337605623/13#13 date=1337688746Of course "both" is the answer but good milk is noticed by more (Australian) customers.Cool. Milk it is then. Thats what I saw in most cafes. The one with the "looks" does the milk. ie. The face of the business just before the product gets to the customers.Originally posted by 243C39392C3D162428277F7E490 link=1337605623/14#14 date=1337689109It depends on the equipment you are using, ie a Robur E with a temperature stable machine like a Linea, will not take much training so long as the person pulling shots is being supervised and has a consistent tamp. Milk on the other hand is harder to do consistently. There is lots more to account for when texturing milk and managing your flow, it definitely takes more mental organisation.
Yes, most likely the Linea or the FB 80 + Robur (non-E)
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It depends on the equipment you are using, ie a Robur E with a temperature stable machine like a Linea, will not take much training so long as the person pulling shots is being supervised and has a consistent tamp. Milk on the other hand is harder to do consistently. There is lots more to account for when texturing milk and managing your flow, it definitely takes more mental organisation.Originally posted by 213533332925223527272121400 link=1337605623/10#10 date=1337684959That is quite a good idea paying per cup made.
As many as possible of courseOriginally posted by 0D2228354C0 link=1337605623/9#9 date=1337681855How many coffees a day do you think he/she will make?
but Im aiming for 45kg / week as a minimum on weekdays, so that is about 450 cups / day. At $0.7 a cup, that might be a bit rich.. considering at peak hour, 2 baristas might be required. - One to pull shots and another for milk.
Actually which is more important? Shots / Milk barista? At least from customers perspective anyway.
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At that work rate... pay em heaps. They will be getting smashed all day and if you are paying "average" they will nick-off to a softer job pretty quickly.Originally posted by 243036362C20273022222424450 link=1337605623/10#10 date=1337684959450 cups / day
Of course "both" is the answer but good milk is noticed by more (Australian) customers.Originally posted by 243036362C20273022222424450 link=1337605623/10#10 date=1337684959Shots / Milk barista?
It was just a random figure, the concept is the same though and might be a balance of minimum wage and a per cup bonus to encourage them to:Originally posted by 243036362C20273022222424450 link=1337605623/10#10 date=1337684959At $0.7 a cup, that might be a bit rich
a: care about quality (to keep customers)
b: generate new business (which will improve their bottom line)
c: generate more business (eg: sell the second cup)
d: lessen the freebies ;-)
The problem I have with minimum wage (or any fixed wage for that matter) is that it encourages minimum performance.
I heard once that the scottish hamburger place worked on the rule of 3s when pricing items.
1/3rd costs
1/3rd wages
1/3rd profit
...of course the "want fries with that?" or "upsize?" adds a higher % in the profit line but you get the idea.
Seems that not too many business owners want to share that much wage but if more did then they might find a more loyal work force that help build a business not just sponge from it.
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Wow lol if I were working by myself doing 45 kg mon-fri I would be flat out exhaustedOriginally posted by 726660607A76716674747272130 link=1337605623/10#10 date=1337684959As many as possible of course but Im aiming for 45kg / week as a minimum on weekdays, so that is about 450 cups / day. At $0.7 a cup, that might be a bit rich.. considering at peak hour, 2 baristas might be required. - One to pull shots and another for milk.
I would want a good hourly rate at least $25hr full time. You would most definately need 2+ baristas if you wanted your customers to be served with a good product and not have to wait too long for it either.
Probably add another minimum $3-$5hr for managing other staff/the coffee operations in general
Most top baristas who have worked in cafes for a long time can also allround.....cash register etc.
This my opinion anyways.
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It depends on the size of your new business,If it was a small specialty cafe doing 200-300 coffees then you probably arent going to be turning over enough to warrant paying someone big dollars.
If it is a large operation with 2 or more coffee machines doing high volume+ plenty of food etc you might be able to pay your standout top class barista more money but I would be expecting them to manage the whole coffee operation and train staff too.
I think you will have your work cut out for you, there arent that many top class/competition level ones around and they mainly work for specialty cafes or are the face of certain coffee company signature stores or chains.
good luck.
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That is quite a good idea paying per cup made.
As many as possible of courseOriginally posted by 0D2228354C0 link=1337605623/9#9 date=1337681855How many coffees a day do you think he/she will make?
but Im aiming for 45kg / week as a minimum on weekdays, so that is about 450 cups / day. At $0.7 a cup, that might be a bit rich.. considering at peak hour, 2 baristas might be required. - One to pull shots and another for milk.
Actually which is more important? Shots / Milk barista? At least from customers perspective anyway.
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I agree but I like the concept.Originally posted by 77716D73766975741A0 link=1337605623/5#5 date=1337668202Probably not 100% kosher
I think as long as you were over the minimum wage for the week then it would be fine.
eg:
If $16/hr is the minimum hourly rate then as long as an 8 hour shift is more than $130 then it would be legal.
So:
7am-10am - 200 coffees @ 0.70 = $140
10am-3pm - 50 coffees @ 0.70 = $35
$175 for the 8 hours = $22/hr
If the gun barista could attract another 100 coffees in the 10am-3pm slot (20 more an hour) then it becomes
7am-10am - 200 coffees @ 0.70 = $140
10am-3pm - 150 coffees @ 0.70 = $105
$245 for the 8 hours = $30.60/hr
Pay for performance instead of paying so the barista can spend half the day facebooking friends.
How many coffees a day do you think he/she will make?Originally posted by 706462627874736476767070110 link=1337605623/8#8 date=1337679934Im planning to open a new cafe soon so Im researching for the figure now. Preferably to get a full time barista.
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Thanks for the answers so far guys.
Nope, Im planning to open a new cafe soon so Im researching for the figure now. Preferably to get a full time barista. Right now we have a cafe but not really concentrating on coffee, so the staffs are more of an allrounder rather than dedicated barista, so I thought to ask and get some ideasOriginally posted by 426D677A030 link=1337605623/1#1 date=1337654095Are you asking the question to know what to ask for in a new job?
$20-25 is a reasonable. Hopefully inclusive of sick leaves / super etc.
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Very informally (and may take a number of forms)......and obviously the person deciding it has to know their stuff. I was just commenting on the legality of potentially paying an employee less than the hourly minimum.Originally posted by 7A594A4A41677C4D565B5956380 link=1337605623/6#6 date=1337668679How do you give a bonus for quality?Originally posted by 282E322C29362A2B450 link=1337605623/5#5 date=1337668202+ a smaller per unit bonus.
Barryd.
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