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    In the interest of not wasting milk. What are people thoughts on the minimum volume milk jug that can be successfully used to produce high quality milk for macs and piccolo's? I'm talking for my diadema perfetta, which has quite a lot of steam power - which will probably be a large issue.

    I'm talking 300ml jugs? Preferably smaller? I've seen a 140ml jug?

    What are people's thoughts?

  • #2
    My thoughts: definitely doable. What have you got at the moment?

    I'm using a 400ml jug which I can get away with - i just tilt the jug to create a bit of depth (as opposed to keeping the jug level). I suspect it'd be more manageable with a 300ml jug.

    It'll develop with time. For me, it was impossible with the duetto at first because it was too quick. I think the trick is to know where the sweet spot is and get it spot on from the start (introducing the right amount of air).

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    • #3
      very noble of you, but at some point you're going to have to choose between either delivering a quality product for yourself and wasting 30c worth of milk, or suffering a less than quality product for the sake of a bit of milk. i would choose the former because in the case of the latter, aren't you really wasting more than 30c worth of milk?

      or just drink espresso unless you have a buddy to pull a latte for?

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      • #4
        As far as I know there is no stocker of anything smaller than 300ml in Aus not that I have been able to find.

        I purchased a 150ml from OrphanEspresso but it is very hard to get right in such a small jug even with the fairly "relaxed" steaming capabilities from the Breville DB but you can steam the perfect ammount for a piccolo without waste.

        The lowest I can go with good results in 300ml jug is enough for a piccolo and a bit more so there is wastage when I make one but if I make a piccolo I usually split a double shot between two cups and just make two haha

        Trying to steam milk in the 150ml jug with a machine capable of commercial type steam you would end up with it all on your face and bench.

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        • #5
          While you would not do it for customers or guests, and I'm probably putting myself in the firing line for suggesting a cardinal sin, but instead of "wasting" the milk could you not pour the left-overs back into the bottle, and re-use it after it has chilled again?

          GrahamK

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          • #6
            Steaming introduces structural changes in the proteins in the milk, you'd likely end up with very strange tasting milk that is very difficult (read, little to no chance of microfoam) to texture.

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            • #7
              I am a big fan of the machiato and piccolo's. I have some really small jugs- maybe 100 ml or less that I use. These small stainless jugs can often be found in op-shops- they are the type used to serve milk with a tea or coffee pot... The fact is: it is very hard to get the same quality and richness as you can get using a larger volume of milk. But you can do it if you are lucky. It is very easy to go too far- or to get big bubbles.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sorrentinacoffee View Post
                I am a big fan of the machiato and piccolo's. I have some really small jugs- maybe 100 ml or less that I use. These small stainless jugs can often be found in op-shops- they are the type used to serve milk with a tea or coffee pot... The fact is: it is very hard to get the same quality and richness as you can get using a larger volume of milk. But you can do it if you are lucky. It is very easy to go too far- or to get big bubbles.
                Exactly. These are the jugs that i saw as well. Catering supply companies sell them really cheap. I will have to grab one and give it a try.

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                • #9
                  Hhhhmmmmm......Maybe this jug would be small enough for ya. Yes it's stainless steel, and yes that's a 1.5oz shot glass next to it for comparison.


                  Java "Small enough?" phile
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                  • #10
                    I think you will need a smaller steam tip also ! ....
                    ......just to fit in that jug !

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by blend52 View Post
                      I think you will need a smaller steam tip also ! ....
                      ......just to fit in that jug !
                      Nah. The Cimbali steam tip fits just fine!


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                      • #12
                        Nice one Java...

                        ....and I thought the 100ml jug I use for minimal milk was small!

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                        • #13
                          tiny jugs are difficult to master, I think I would require more practice with mine even with slowing the steam on the Breville the milk comes to temp very fast.

                          It's sitting next to my 300ml jug which gets most of the use for single coffees
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                          • #14
                            For my mac's & piccolo lattes, I generally use a half filled 300ml InCasa cheapy.

                            I have a no name brand 150ml which usually gets the better of me (I also doubt it was specifically designed for milk frothing but anyway...)

                            Because things happen a hell of a lot faster, I find for my skill level, it's more miss than hit. 150 doesn't allow me a lot of time to compensate and make adjustments mid stream (which I can do with the bigger jugs). I reckon 6 out of 10 attempts I've either successfully over heated or didn't quite get the texture right. Fun to hone my skills yes, but as a go to jug especially if making macs for others, I always go to the smallest jug I know I can deliver consistent results with....and for me it is the 300.

                            If I was using the 300ml 4 or 5 times a day and using only 20mls each time, then yes I would consider this a bit of a waste but sinking a bit more milk every now and then is fine with me. But luckily for me I don't have a lot to sink because more times than not, when I do macs and piccolo lattes, I'm making two of them at a time.

                            Seeya

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                            • #15
                              The main problem will not be the jug (although a small diameter base helps) but the steaming power of the machine.

                              By reducing the size of the steam holes on my commercial Izzo I am easily able to get good micro foam of 50 ml or so.

                              The steam holes are readily reduced by taking off the tip, winding a small amount of copper wire through the holes, tighten with a pair of pliers, and then replace the tip.

                              Greg

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