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  • GregWormald
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    Originally posted by flynnaus View Post
    All I am saying is don't knock it until you try it.

    Where's the fun in that?

    Since it's not even available until "spring 2013", not even the inventor would be allowed to spruik it--and he's sure doing so.

    Greg

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  • flynnaus
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    Unless you idea of the ultimate coffee experience is 8 oz of American black, then this m/c will not bring you much satisfaction.
    ....but lets not pretend that this is anything special in terms of coffee brewing.
    I'm not pretending anything. All I am saying is don't knock it until you try it.

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  • blend52
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    Brettryan, the Aeropress is different in principle and function to your Presso which is designed to replicate the espresso extraction.
    ....... The Aeropress and the similar Blossom cannot replicate an espresso extraction.

    flynnaus,...I thought you had read Kuempel's thesis on optimizing coffee brewing.. ?
    from that ( and the obvious follow on design of the Blossom m/c's ) it is very clear that he based the design on the Aeropress principle.
    It is also equally clear that this unit is little more than a PID'd boiler ( and brew pot) with a volumetric pump...surrounded by a lot of unconvincing "geek speak" .
    How can it claim to produce a repeatable brew when It has no ability to control brew time, agitation, or extraction rate / pressure,..which are all left to the operator ( though it would heave been relatively easy to incorporate those functions if they were serious)
    Unless you idea of the ultimate coffee experience is 8 oz of American black, then this m/c will not bring you much satisfaction.
    Blossom is obviously more about creating a business image ( hence the attention grabbing price pitch) and gaining a foothold in the top end of the coffee world...and that is fine,
    ....but lets not pretend that this is anything special in terms of coffee brewing.

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  • flynnaus
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    The demo machine appears to be an early prototype and is somewhat unlike the proposed design.

    I still can't understand why everyone is still up in arms about this. Nobody on CS has seen it work (ie attended a demo). Nobody on the CS site has tried coffee made by it but somehow many of you have decided it's rubbish.Trying to claim it some glorified Aeropress is a bit of a stretch. Yes, the limited first release of the Blossom is outrageously expensive but the good news is nobody has to buy it. What it does claim is a superior, repeatable brew. Surely it is entitled to some benefit of the doubt until we can try it for ourselves.

    It's not just this machine. There appears to be a trend that some will set out to rubbish a concept, machine, coffee before they even see it working or try it for themselves. The Breville BES900 brouhaha is a classic example.
    Last edited by flynnaus; 4 October 2012, 10:48 AM.

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  • brettryan
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    Originally posted by blend52 View Post
    Its obvious this device is based on the Aeropress (immersion brewing, low pressure filtration)..and as such it is only ever going to produce a "black" coffee.
    It certainly could not produce an espresso, or anything based on espresso,.
    In reality, its going to make "American" coffee !
    While not perfect I do get a pretty good espresso coffee out of my presso unit. at a fraction of the cost it does a great job with a similar principal and I highly recommend it for the office/camper user.

    I'm not sure how spending $50,000 on a unit that uses a similar principal could do that much better.

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  • blend52
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    Whilst i agree they have replicated the "open boiler" principle of the Caravel ( though in truth i doubt they even know of its existence !), I cannot agree that it is a copy of it, since the Caravel is capable of producing genuine "espresso" coffee from its pressurized group , the lever action of which can comfortably generate 6-8 bar pressure .
    If you wanted to generate 8 bar on the blossom, you would need to apply something in the order of 100kg to that joke of a "lever" ...but it would fold up in the attempt !

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  • sorrentina
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    Ha- what a joke- the amazing high tech they have discovered is called :"Dr Emidio Saladi's 1958 Caravel espresso lever machine".

    the blossom is not a standard lever: like the caravel it has an open boiler with gravity feed to the piston chamber... The advantage of this is that you can have the boiler temperature below 100C (pressured boiler levers typically run at 1- 1.2 BAR which equals maybe +/- 120C).

    they even copied the modularity- thought the blossom requires 'standard tools'- the Caravel needs NONE you can disassemble it in 30 seconds.

    As it is a copy of the Caravel: I would expect it will work nicely- the Caravel is brilliant.

    but 11K is just absurd- a bad joke.

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  • WiredArabica
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    Hmm, after reading all this I now have this crazy idea for a french press with an embedded element, an internal temp sensor and PID controller to maintain temperature during brewing... Just the project for an old zilog micro development board I've had lying around but couldn't quite throw out. OTOH, I much prefer the aeropress so maybe a collapsible element to maintain temp during the 30sec brew time, that will fold down when pressed.

    I think I've a few summer projects coming up!

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  • blend52
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    While the engineering behind the One Limited is interesting, it essentially takes a pretty simple process and unnecessarily complicates it with enough control parameters to make even the most hardened coffee nerd's eyes water. Don't get us wrong, the coffee it produces is good (really good, in fact). But so is the coffee made with a $26 plastic AeroPress. The creators behind the Blossom One Limited have done an excellent job of marrying their love of engineering with their love of coffee. Fortunately for the rest of us, there are far simpler (and cheaper) methods of getting our daily caffeine fix that don't seem to be going anywhere any time soon.
    Effectively, all it does is measure the volume of water (8oz) , and control the brew temperature (PID).
    The "brew time" control is no more than an alarm beeper to alert the operator to pull the lever when the brew has steeped long enough.
    Pressure is not a consideration or an influence on coffee the extraction process,.. apparently !
    so ..8oz of steeped coffee, low pressure pressed through a paper filter ( or espresso basket ?)

    This device is worth about as much consideration as its designer gave to using an espresso process.......
    ......( one paragraph in a 70 page thesis on "optimizing the coffee experience" )

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  • WiredArabica
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    On a whim, I just measured the diameter of one of my Aeropress filters - 64mm... What's the inside diameter of an E61 handle sans basket?

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  • flynnaus
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    Demo video

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  • GregWormald
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    So the E61 group handle in the production models holds only a paper filter??!!
    I guess it is an Aeropress--and a very expensive version at that.

    Greg

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  • Jimmytheboot
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    Photo of the prototype



    Matches functionality of an aeropress with some added electronics

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  • GregWormald
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    Originally posted by blend52 View Post
    Oh dear ! .. are we all optimistically hoping for the reincarnation of the coffee "godshot" m/c ??
    If so, i wouldnt hold your breath !
    Its obvious this device is based on the Aeropress (immersion brewing, low pressure filtration)..and as such it is only ever going to produce a "black" coffee.
    It certainly could not produce an espresso, or anything based on espresso,.
    In reality, its going to make "American" coffee !
    I'd like to disagree with some of this. It appears to me that this is most similar to a Presso, not an Aeropress, and as such will likely make something like the same brew--a low pressure espresso--rather than a version of filtered coffee.

    Greg
    Sticking to his Izzo lever.

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  • Rocky
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    IF I had $10K (or $12K) to spend on a coffee machine, I think I would be spending it on the Kees van der Western Speedster.

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