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  • #16
    Originally posted by GregWormald View Post

    I **is** the job of the the café/restaurant
    Sounds like the kids have subliminally got you talkin' Jamaican tho' man.

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    • #17
      When I grew up, children were “to be seen but not heard”.

      My parents didn’t belt me, but they didn’t feed me on junk food. Plenty of un processed and additive free fruit, vegetables, bread, eggs and meat. I drank milk and water from the tap, not a bottle and no Coke.

      I was allowed to play in the dirt, climb rocks and trees in the native bush behind our house among spiders, lizards and snakes. I had few injuries, no broken bones and no food allergies.

      I had little pocket money so I couldn’t afford to buy junk.

      I think that a poor diet can lead to hyperactivity and misbehaviour in children. The parents largely cause it and ignore it.

      Barry

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      • #18
        Get over it. Include the kids as often as practical. They're fellow human beings. They share the planet with you. Take the long view. Take the Italian view. Enjoy the view.

        Show them a good time in cafe's as kids, and they'll be more likely to stay out of bars later on being loud and anti-social.

        -PW

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        • #19
          Originally posted by pwp View Post
          Get over it. Include the kids as often as practical. They're fellow human beings. They share the planet with you. Take the long view. Take the Italian view. Enjoy the view.

          Show them a good time in cafe's as kids, and they'll be more likely to stay out of bars later on being loud and anti-social.

          -PW
          We also share this planet with snakes, vermin and various toxins and don't see any reason why I should welcome them into a cafe, where I would prefer to sit and relax and enjoy a good cuppa and a few moments of peace and quiet. Also, I really can't say I understand the logic of how letting one's children run wild through a cafe will teach them the discipline and restraint needed to resist the temptations of bars and antisocial behaviour later on in life. I would expect the long term results to be quite the opposite.

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          • #20
            Quite an interesting topic to listen/read people's opinions! So time to put my 2.5 cents worth in :P

            I can tolerate and be content with kids under the age that they can control themselves having a bit of a scream (i.e. babies and what-not). But when it comes to toddlers running around the store with hot coffee being delivered, it is just plain dangerous! There have been many a time when a toddler has ran around my legs and a cup fell over and thank goodness it was an empty. Luckily my workplace has a kids corner where there is a blackboard for some to keep themselves occupied so this does help a bit..

            To put it plain and simple, parents need to control their kids.

            Mike

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Snafu View Post
              We also share this planet with snakes, vermin and various toxins and don't see any reason why I should welcome them into a cafe, where I would prefer to sit and relax and enjoy a good cuppa and a few moments of peace and quiet. Also, I really can't say I understand the logic of how letting one's children run wild through a cafe will teach them the discipline and restraint needed to resist the temptations of bars and antisocial behaviour later on in life. I would expect the long term results to be quite the opposite.
              Not sure about placing kids in the same category as snakes, vermin and toxins however I do agree with the rest of your post.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                Not sure about placing kids in the same category as snakes, vermin and toxins however I do agree with the rest of your post.
                Yes... I would have to agree with you (most of the time) and was merely using a bit of artistic license to illustrate the fact that not everything, or everyone, we happen to share this planet with necessarily deserves to be sitting next to me in a cafe.

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                • #23
                  Let's keep the conversation polite and respectful of each other. The bat is buried in the closet and I really don't feel like digging it out.


                  Java "Exercising the Del button" phile
                  Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by pwp View Post
                    Get over it. Include the kids as often as practical. They're fellow human beings. They share the planet with you. Take the long view. Take the Italian view. Enjoy the view.

                    Show them a good time in cafe's as kids, and they'll be more likely to stay out of bars later on being loud and anti-social.

                    -PW
                    Don't agree. If boundaries aren't laid down and adhered to early then these "little fellow human beings" turn into teenagers and young adults who are only concerned with their own pleasure and happiness and couldn't give a rat's bottom about anyone else or their right to enjoy their peace without having a loud , obnoxious narcissist invade not only their space but also their life. It all starts with setting the right example when they're young. Just look at the Gen Y example, the mollycoddled "no spank" generation who basically worship themselves and have little respect for anyone else and they're loud!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
                      Don't agree. If boundaries aren't laid down and adhered to early then these "little fellow human beings" turn into teenagers and young adults who are only concerned with their own pleasure and happiness and couldn't give a rat's bottom about anyone else or their right to enjoy their peace without having a loud , obnoxious narcissist invade not only their space but also their life. It all starts with setting the right example when they're young. Just look at the Gen Y example, the mollycoddled "no spank" generation who basically worship themselves and have little respect for anyone else and they're loud!
                      Don't agree. If boundaries were laid down and adhered to the "little fellow human beings" born some 50-60 years ago would not be the selfish adults they are now concerned only with their own pleasure and happiness, who couldn't give a rat's bottom about anyone else or their right to enjoy their peace without having a loud , obnoxious narcissist invade not only their space but also their life. Just look at the boomers for example, the mollycoddled "no spank" generation who basically worship themselves and have little respect for anyone else and they're loud!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
                        Originally posted by pwp
                        Get over it. Include the kids as often as practical. They're fellow human beings. They share the planet with you. Take the long view. Take the Italian view. Enjoy the view.
                        Show them a good time in cafe's as kids, and they'll be more likely to stay out of bars later on being loud and anti-social.

                        -PW
                        Don't agree. If boundaries aren't laid down and adhered to early then these "little fellow human beings" turn into teenagers and young adults who are only concerned with their own pleasure and happiness and couldn't give a rat's bottom about anyone else or their right to enjoy their peace without having a loud , obnoxious narcissist invade not only their space but also their life. It all starts with setting the right example when they're young. Just look at the Gen Y example, the mollycoddled "no spank" generation who basically worship themselves and have little respect for anyone else and they're loud!
                        I didn't really mean to throw a cat among the pigeons here. Perhaps I should have been a little more expansive. While I will never condone overbaked disruptive behaviour from anyone, children included, inclusion and tolerance are concepts that are disappearing at an alarming rate across the board, not just at your favourite cafe. The warm environment of a favourite cafe instills the better aspects of our society into anyone that's there...that's why we keep going back. So yes, encourage and bring the kids but with the barriers and boundaries of common courtesy and respect that make life worth living. Showing kids a good time at your local cafe does not infer license to run riot, quite the opposite. It should bring with it patiently delivered instruction and example on how to not just enjoy but contribute to the delicious atmosphere of a great cafe.

                        -PW

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by pwp View Post
                          I didn't really mean to throw a cat among the pigeons here. Perhaps I should have been a little more expansive. While I will never condone overbaked disruptive behaviour from anyone, children included, inclusion and tolerance are concepts that are disappearing at an alarming rate across the board, not just at your favourite cafe. The warm environment of a favourite cafe instills the better aspects of our society into anyone that's there...that's why we keep going back. So yes, encourage and bring the kids but with the barriers and boundaries of common courtesy and respect that make life worth living. Showing kids a good time at your local cafe does not infer license to run riot, quite the opposite. It should bring with it patiently delivered instruction and example on how to not just enjoy but contribute to the delicious atmosphere of a great cafe.

                          -PW
                          Children are a blessing not a curse, and younger generations do not have the antipathy towards children that some of the posters here seem to have. I have noticed a resentment towards children among the older generation, a generation that was a product of the so called 60s revolution, the first real "me" generation. I think it has something to do with the fact that this generation had a belief that it was different, immortal, would change the world and rewrite history, basically a narcissism that fell apart when reality struck with the first oil shock and the unemployment that hit in the mid-seventies. A new generation of disillusioned youth emerged. Anyone remember the Sex Pistols?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Bernsbrew View Post
                            Children are a blessing not a curse, and younger generations do not have the antipathy towards children that some of the posters here seem to have. I have noticed a resentment towards children among the older generation, a generation that was a product of the so called 60s revolution, the first real "me" generation. I think it has something to do with the fact that this generation had a belief that it was different, immortal, would change the world and rewrite history, basically a narcissism that fell apart when reality struck with the first oil shock and the unemployment that hit in the mid-seventies. A new generation of disillusioned youth emerged. Anyone remember the Sex Pistols?
                            In spite of what you seem to believe about "some of the posters" I too happen to be one of the "younger generations" and still think that uncontrolled brats have absolutely no place in a cafe, or anywhere else in public. I do not go to my local daycare centre, or kindy, expecting to be served a nice cup of coffee nor a tumbler of fine scotch so I find it hard to understand why some (and the key word here is some) parents refuse to see why their ill behaved (and not all children are thus) may not be welcome at a cafe. Seems relatively clear cut to me, and it has NOTHING to do with age, generation or anything else narrowly (narrow mindedly?) defined.

                            And, vis-a-vis the Sex Pistols, of course I have heard of them, I think my dad used to listen to them.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Bernsbrew View Post
                              ...younger generations do not have the antipathy towards children that some of the posters here seem to have. I have noticed a resentment towards children among the older generation, a generation that was a product of the so called 60s revolution, the first real "me" generation.
                              Sorry, but you are wrong. Do you really think tolerance is a factor of age? I can tell you from direct experience that I have become more tolerant. This Baby boomer (Gen Jones, if you want to be more accurate) finds it's best to avoid stereotypes when dealing with people and treat each on their merits.

                              As for the Sex Pistols, they weren't the first to act as 'spokespersons' for disaffected youth; that happened in the 1950s (Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, JO'K, etc as well as the Beat era literati)) and 60s (Stones, Kinks, Who etc). Look at pre-punk groups of the 70s like the Stooges and New York Dolls and the Ramones.

                              But to return to the topic, some people enjoy the sound of happy children but others are not so tolerant and that has nothing to do with age. Many go to a cafe to enjoy a peaceful cuppa and that too has nothing to do with age. How many enjoy the sound of screaming, tanty-throwing kids anywhere, let alone a cafe?

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                              • #30
                                Re: Noisy Kids in Cafe's.

                                It irks me to see parents who let their young children behave in a generally antisocial manner, mostly because I think it is often a sign of poor parenting.

                                That said, I have a 15 month old who is unnervingly well behaved and who has been visiting cafés with us since the day he left hospital (in fact, we stopped at Lois Baxters on the way home from the hospital!). He does occasionally make loud noises (its a learning thing), but thats life. My local cafe is always full of kids, and it makes for an enjoyable breakfast.

                                Dont like that? Want to have a quiet coffee and read the paper? Then stay home, because "out in public" there are other people, and part of living in a society is the fact that not everything revolves around you!

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