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Don't agree. If boundaries were laid down and adhered to the "little fellow human beings" born some 50-60 years ago would not be the selfish adults they are now concerned only with their own pleasure and happiness, who couldn't give a rat's bottom about anyone else or their right to enjoy their peace without having a loud , obnoxious narcissist invade not only their space but also their life. Just look at the boomers for example, the mollycoddled "no spank" generation who basically worship themselves and have little respect for anyone else and they're loud!
Don't know about you but as a child I was taught to show some respect for those around me especially when out in public places. Alot of parents still seem to be teaching their kids good manners but an increasing number seem to be raising out of control "free range" kids. Often they are left to race around with little supervision. These screeching little monsters constantly demanding attention are just a sign of bad parenting.
Well behaved kids are a joy and a blessing and a wonderful reflection of their parents. Badly behaved kids not so much, especially when inflicted on the unsuspecting public.
Some people don't have a choice about their kids. Youngsters can and do become over-excited, some more than others. My youngest daughter is highly active, climbs on and up everything, runs everywhere, screams with excitement. She simply finds it difficult to sit still for an extended period, consequently we have to choose our venues carefully. Many children are like this. The problem is grumpy old f@rts from a generation that regarded the world as theirs. Well tough, the world has moved on. Children have a place, and it's everywhere. GOFs - underworked and overpaid - saddled the nation with debt in their quest for a blessed latte lifestyle they never earned that the rest of us and our children must now repay. With their comfy retirements secured, the least GOFs can do is tolerate the generations that are paying their bills. I have no time for GOFs who think the rest of us owe them a debt of gratitude. GOFs who don't like youngsters should stay home.
Some people don't have a choice about their kids. Youngsters can and do become over-excited, some more than others. My youngest daughter is highly active, climbs on and up everything, runs everywhere, screams with excitement. She simply finds it difficult to sit still for an extended period, consequently we have to choose our venues carefully. Many children are like this. The problem is grumpy old f@rts from a generation that regarded the world as theirs. Well tough, the world has moved on. Children have a place, and it's everywhere. GOFs - underworked and overpaid - saddled the nation with debt in their quest for a blessed latte lifestyle they never earned that the rest of us and our children must now repay. With their comfy retirements secured, the least GOFs can do is tolerate the generations that are paying their bills. I have no time for GOFs who think the rest of us owe them a debt of gratitude. GOFs who don't like youngsters should stay home.
It's very sad to see such an "us versus them" interpretation of life.
Some people don't have a choice about their kids. Youngsters can and do become over-excited, some more than others. My youngest daughter is highly active, climbs on and up everything, runs everywhere, screams with excitement. She simply finds it difficult to sit still for an extended period, consequently we have to choose our venues carefully. Many children are like this. The problem is grumpy old f@rts from a generation that regarded the world as theirs. Well tough, the world has moved on. Children have a place, and it's everywhere. GOFs - underworked and overpaid - saddled the nation with debt in their quest for a blessed latte lifestyle they never earned that the rest of us and our children must now repay. With their comfy retirements secured, the least GOFs can do is tolerate the generations that are paying their bills. I have no time for GOFs who think the rest of us owe them a debt of gratitude. GOFs who don't like youngsters should stay home.
Considering the tone and content of your post, we should not be surprised by the monkey-like behaviour of your youngest daughter. Do you think the behaviour you describe will be tolerated in a classroom? Might she have miraculously outgrown her behaviour without any intervention from you?
Bern,
I think you've made some pretty sweeping generalisations in your previous post. My parents would be members of your GOF generation, have worked their backsides off for their entire life, while looking after (at last count) a total of more than 50 foster kids that others were not in a position to care for. They are in their 60s and still look after 5 kids. When they get the chance to go to cafe for a cuppa (every 6 weeks or so) they try to find somewhere quiet. I reckon that's fair enough. That said, they've never caused a fuss when things don't work out. Of my younger friends, some have no problem with noisy kids, some detest them.....not sure its a generational thing.
Cheers
BOSW.
Everyone has a right to an opinion, but when that persons opinion affects others once must wonder if its a valid opinion....
My old grumpy parents have taught me many things, none more important than respecting others. just cause there now old that doesn't mean what they taught me should be thrown out the window
We of this so called rebellious generation have to many rights. Free will to some degree yes, but your free willed actions shouldn't affect others.
I would suggest that it is most likely your fault. As an adult you ultimately decide who you are and how you act so perhaps it is time to stop playing the role of the victim and assume responsibility for your one life and for the lives and actions of your young ones as well.
I'm just sticking up for kids ... and their parents. The "irresponsible parent with indulged, selfish brat" is a very tired, old stereotype. It's been a stock standard in so many comedies over the years - funny men from Benny Hill to John Cleese have done their own take on the characters. I like children and I like when they enjoy themselves. The problem rests with the whingers, mostly GOFs in my experience. Accept children and the hard working mums n dads ... or stay home.
Dennis, my daughter is a beautiful, funny, highly social child, who charms and engages with all around her. She puts the joy back into life, joy that some people seem to resent. Open up and welcome the childlike joy, lest you too become the GOF.
. Live and let live!
. The purpose of life is joy; the basis of life is freedom; the outcome/result of life is growth.
. Anything that anybody ever wants to be, do or have, is because of their belief that in the being, doing or having it, they will feel better; that might be feeling happier, or just less powerless, less fearful or less angry.
. there's absolutely nothing wrong with anyone thinking that the universe revolves around them and acting accordingly, because guess what - it does! Anybody who resents someone else doing whatever they want is fearful/angry (they're the same thing because anger = fear expressed) that in doing so they will take away from their own unexpressed/repressed belief that the world actually revolves around them, as a result of which they believe everyone else must act as they wish so that they can feel happier/less fearful.
. Not one single person on this planet can control everything that, or even much of what, happens around them so they can more easily choose to feel happy/less fearful. You can't control what happens to you, but you can control your own reaction and your own thoughts. Everyone chooses their thoughts in response to what happens around them. You can choose to be unhappy about noisy kids in coffee shops or grocers' apostrophes, or you can choose not to let it bother you and be happy/less fearful anyway.
. How you feel is ALWAYS your choice, but if you've developed a habit of thought in relation to any subject, then it's easy for you to go there whenever the subject arises. But know this; how you feel about any subject is always, absolutely and forever your choice.
. You can choose your thoughts; why not make them good ones.
Why do successive generations think that the younger generations behave as if the universe revolves around them (which it does, by the way)? Believe me, this has been going on for thousands of years; I'm aware of at least one Greek or Roman historian or writer who is quoted as lamenting the lack of respect of the younger generation of his time, and it reads almost exactly like the complaints expressed in this thread. Can't you think of something original to complain about? If I can track down the quotation I'm thinking of, I'll come back and edit this post or add it to the thread.
Anyway, to our own recent history and current times:
. Baby boomers were raised by parents that survived the Great Depression and WW II. Having lived through grave world-wide lack, conflict, fear and uncertainty, they were anxious to ensure that their children, as much as they could control it, would not experience what they suffered during their young lives so that their children would be happier/less fearful than they were. Sounds fair, doesn't it? Isn't that what all parents want?
. Many but not all baby boomers did well and, following their parents' example, wanted their own children to be happier/less fearful than they were. Still sounds like most parents, doesn't it?
. Through successive generations the cycle has continued, aided and abetted along the way by Dr Spock and various other "experts" and do-gooders intent on making life easy for kids and hard for parents who would like to resort to traditional methods of child discipline such as - "shock and horror" - smacking, in public even! Wouldn't some of you complainers like to see that? :-)
. The end result is that too many of today's youth have not experienced the simple joy of achieving something on their own, especially something like overcoming a difficulty, because their parents, teachers or other adults have been lead to believe that young people can't do anything on their own unless and until an adult teaches them or disciplines them, and that everything must be done for them. Think of your own youth and the joy you felt when you discovered you could do something you previously didn't think you could. How many young peple are given that simple opportunity these days, when everything is done for them and they're not allowed to learn by taking any risks by themselves or making mistakes they can learn from?
. Everybody, all children included, learn by experience, not words. All children need to experience the joy of achievement and the desire to do better after making a mistake and the even greater joy of eventual achievement, which is what learning from mistakes is all about. They have to be given opportunities to do so. The opportunity to behave appropriately in the presence of others and the good feeling they experience as a result is one of these.
Don't waste energy getting angry at noisy kids in coffee shops or elsewhere, and don't waste energy blaming their parents either, because both are a result of their own parenting and the belief systems that were inculcated as a result. Give praise where it's due (because that adds to the joy of achievement) and find something else to think about if praise isn't - to your constrained mind at least - due right now.
Don't worry! Be happy! Or go elsewhere, physically or in your mind, until you can more readily make the choice to be happy regardless of your circumstances. And if coffee makes you happy drink more of it, and if it makes you touchy give it up.
Sorry for the long post.
Last edited by Banjo.au; 1 March 2013, 11:09 PM.
Reason: Added "coffee"
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