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  • #16
    I've been a "light tamper", followed by a light tap with the handle of the Tamper, then the tamp proper for more than a decade now... Never caused me a problem. Appreciate why people recommend that you don't do this but it probably has more to do with the adoption of a common technique for a workforce, to avoid too much variation... So long as you're aware of the potential pitfalls, I can't see the problem.

    Mal.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Dimal View Post
      it probably has more to do with the adoption of a common technique for a workforce, to avoid too much variation...
      Mal.
      This is pretty much the crux of it Mal.

      I suspect it has more to do with standardisation of technique in the pursuit of repeatability/excellence than anything else, of course there are those barista's who have repeatability down to a fine art and can be guaranteed to serve you a cup of swill each and every time.

      We employed similar methods with geo sample preparation, every operator was required to use exactly the same preparation procedure in an effort to remove operator error from the equation, regardless, there were always the tech's that still managed to stuff things up regardless, guess they face similar problems in the coffee industry.

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      • #18
        I've yet to meet someone who can taste a shot and distinguish if I've tapped or not.. If it works for you, keep doing it. Until there is a unified world government administering the hobbyist barista community I don't believe anyone has the authority to label a technique as incorrect, no matter how archaic it may be. Do what makes you happy, what other purpose is there in life?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by brewfiend View Post
          I've yet to meet someone who can taste a shot and distinguish if I've tapped or not.. If it works for you, keep doing it. Until there is a unified world government administering the hobbyist barista community I don't believe anyone has the authority to label a technique as incorrect, no matter how archaic it may be. Do what makes you happy, what other purpose is there in life?
          Welcome to Coffee Snobs Brewfiend.

          I like your philosophy, it smacks of something we don't see a lot of nowadays, common sense.

          Keep up the good work.

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          • #20
            Incorrect or not, it's pointless regardless.

            I have no issue with personal preferences but I find it hilarious that someone justifies an extra step in a process, by stating that in their own testing there is no difference in result.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Yelta View Post
              Oh dear! I had no idea I was placing myself at so much risk.

              may well have to seek the help of a psychoanalyst.
              Might have to agree with that!

              My ten cents worth; This is 'over the top' sarcasm, is easily open to misinterpretation, and could turn posters away from expressing their opinions and views.
              (Not me )

              Yes, It is all "tongue in cheek" stuff Yelta, just an over-kill (as I see it).

              Freedom of speech? Along with freedom of choice; "John" chooses to tap, Bill doesn't. "John" enjoys his coffee, so does "Bill".
              Everyone's a winner!

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              • #22
                I tap and then do a final tamp, because I'm borderline OCD and specks of coffee on the side of the basket would irritate me. But then again, I'm the sort of person that will replace four fasteners rather than one so that they all match, on some internal part of a machine where it doesn't matter and no one will ever notice.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by MrJack View Post
                  Incorrect or not, it's pointless regardless.

                  I have no issue with personal preferences but I find it hilarious that someone justifies an extra step in a process, by stating that in their own testing there is no difference in result.
                  Fair point, but to my amatuerish eye the (light) tap also eliminates (reduces) a source of error in diagnostics. If, after pulling the shot, you've got grinds where they shouldn't be you've either got an over dose or the group seal has seen better days. I claim no expertise at that level however...just based on my own observations.

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                  • #24
                    I might have to agree with you Kevo, although I don't post a great deal here I am an avid CS fan.

                    All I stated above was common current practice and Yelta believes it is an opportunity to tell someone their a wanker through his articulate sarcasm.

                    Why bother contributing with facts, thought this was a quality forum, must have been mistaken.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Kevo View Post
                      Might have to agree with that!

                      My ten cents worth; This is 'over the top' sarcasm, is easily open to misinterpretation, and could turn posters away from expressing their opinions and views.
                      (Not me )

                      Yes, It is all "tongue in cheek" stuff Yelta, just an over-kill (as I see it).

                      Freedom of speech? Along with freedom of choice; "John" chooses to tap, Bill doesn't. "John" enjoys his coffee, so does "Bill".
                      Everyone's a winner!
                      Seriously Kevo, this subject has been covered so many over the years it's worn threadbare.

                      Tamping is a simple, quickly acquired procedure, I guess every new batch of Snobbers that comes along feel the need to expound their newly gleaned knowledge, hence the repeat threads.

                      ""John" chooses to tap, Bill doesn't. "John" enjoys his coffee, so does "Bill".
                      Everyone's a winner!"
                      My point exactly, as I said in post #6 "Either way, it matters little if what's in the cup is to your taste."

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                      • #26
                        I believe the origin of the non-tap came from usage of the naked portafilter, and observations of people who did it both ways.
                        I think it might have been Luca Costanzo and Andrew Lew at Cafe Maltitude, all those many years ago on another forum.
                        I could be wrong though..

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                        • #27
                          Wow! I had no idea that tapping and tamping would create so much discussion (and raise so much ire ).

                          I don't personally have a machine/grinder setup even close to what most CSers seem to have, so if the discussion has turned to if it affects taste, I have no idea. I'll just have to try both when the time comes for me! But then again, I'm a less is more person when it comes to procedures. Hell, I got an AeroPress, and after looking at all the recipes, been considering leaving it in the cupboard until I have more time & patience.

                          It has been great to see how each individual handles their gear. For my coffee education, it allows me to compare methods.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by javaNOTcode View Post
                            But then again, I'm a less is more person when it comes to procedures. Hell, I got an AeroPress, and after looking at all the recipes, been considering leaving it in the cupboard until I have more time & patience.
                            Don't do that mate. Grind a touch coarser, roast a touch lighter (or buy slightly ligther roasted beans) and keep experimenting. I've got some quite decent espresso gear, but start every day with an O'Speedwagon (that's an Aeropress strong long black with a bit of heated milk). When you get the Aero right it's unreal.

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                            • #29
                              WBC 2013 Finals: Matthew Perger, 2nd Place - YouTube

                              This video shows a Barista from Melbourne who has a very unique tamping skill. btw he is the participant of the world barista championship.
                              I'm just wondering if that kind of tamping helps to create a perfect shot.

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                              • #30
                                Thanks BOSW! I really am keen to try it, but the little ones have been trying my patience lately and not had much time to change my coffee regime.

                                Thread derailed!!!

                                Had good results with espresso grind (commercial grinder) and non-inverted. Tried inverted with just under coarse grind (my grinder) and it was TERRIBLE!

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