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  • Journeyman
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    Originally posted by Journeyman View Post
    Please send all unused Natvia to Journeyman...
    Now THAT is weird. I swear I was in the Silky Milky thread when I posted that - no drinks, no ganja, nothing except my 2nd coffee... I mean, WTF?

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  • noidle22
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    Classic, I prefer buying broken things than things that work. Once you've figured out what the problem is and either fixed it or made it better, it offers such satisfaction.

    As the saying goes in the world of cars, "Built not bought". This isn't saying that buying new things is a bad, rather, buying something new then paying someone to upgrade or modify it then claiming it as your own and your own work. Or, claiming to possess knowledge of your item when in reality you don't know anything about it. I find that damn annoying.

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  • Journeyman
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    Please send all unused Natvia to Journeyman...

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  • flynnaus
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    I'm a bit of both but more of a classicist: I like the challenge of figuring out why something is broken and fix it rather than just buy a new box; I also like new boxes.

    I have used both Apples (since the Apple II in 1980) and PCs when I first bought one in 1990. I taught myself programming in BASIC on the Apple. You had to load programs via a cassette player. The PC was a 286 and the people I bought it from hadn't installed any software so I had to work out what this "C:>" thing was. I had to give myself a crash course in MS-DOS via the MS manual which aren't the most user friendly of books. I also taught myself Linux by the same method

    Pirsig also wrote: “To live only for some future goal is shallow. It's the sides of the mountain that sustain life, not the top.”
    In other words, the journey is just as im portant as the destination (if not more important)

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  • noonar
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    So is the real question are you Mac or PC? First Apple I used was in 1989 and still own an original "Macintosh" which I still boot up for romanticism... A PC or DOS or Windows user since 1980 cant say that I would even try boot up an classic? 0-186 PC for any reason at all. My employ predetermines that I use both constantly. PCs are weeded out and binned constantly due to fails generally - Macs linger much longer. Mokka pot user since my study days (found one in my student digs, and an older Engineer student showed me the ropes) and I still have it and take it on hols with me... that's romantic. Now I use a "proper" machine at home to give me classic espresso. Am I allowed to be a Classic Romantic also?

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  • Yelta
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    Originally posted by Rocky View Post
    I am also the PC Classic who has moved from Windows (makes the sign of the cross) to Linux (no more virus).
    Hmmm, cant let this one pass Rocky, I run Windows, always have and am completely satisfied, good habits and security have ensured I have remained virus free.

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  • Rocky
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    I'm a Classic but with a touch of Romantic. I like to know how all my mechanical stuff works but I generally only end up pulling it down through sheer necessity because up here in the sticks there is noone to take it to.
    I was brought up in a family with no trade skills and no desire to learn and so my life has been a journey of cautious discovery as I attempted to teach myself something about how things worked.
    Journeyman I am also the PC Classic who has moved from Windows (makes the sign of the cross) to Linux (no more virus).

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  • Journeyman
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    Classic or Romantic - What are you...?

    I'm wondering how many CS'ers collect parts for their machines? Robert Pirsig wrote a book, 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' in which he divides people into 2 types, Classics and Romantics. (the book is an on-the-road monologue, or as he calls it, Chautauqua, during which he espouses some pretty interesting views) Classics are those who enjoy the journey, who like to understand the nuts and bolts of how what they are using actually works. Romantics are more the destination types. the ones who don't really care what is inside the box, provided it works. When it doesn't they are much more inclined to get a new box than to open it and see what's up.

    In my IT career, IMO most MAC users are Romantics and a fair percentage of PC users are Classics. (don't get me wrong, there are many PC users who are Romantics and there are some MAC users who are Classics and a lot of PC Classics have moved from Windows to Linux) You can pick a Classic because we will have extra bits for whatever machine he uses. There will be special tools for delving into it, or extra filters and pump parts etc.

    I've got a defunct 6910 for that exact reason, plus a drawer of spare parts just in case - be a while before I could afford a new EM7000 or similar. I've got 3 brand new seals (in the days before I realised most seals are being replaced to fix a problem that isn't seals I bought one for mine and a week later saw 2 for 2/3 the price I paid for one so I got them) a group collar, 2 x relays and a diode, and an extra flat 'washer' to go above the seal. (which fixes the problem most people change their seals for - group handle locking further right)

    Plus I have the spare machine. When we get back from a few days away I'm going to hook it up with my bits (it came without tank, tray etc.) and see how much of it really works - the guy told me it was in service when it got replaced, but figure I'll know what is salvageable when it is running)

    So, I am wondering, how many of us CS'ers are Classicals? How many hoard or seek out parts so they can do repairs or improvements? And how many would rather pay someone x hundred dollars to PID their machine (I have no idea what PID'ing costs so don't attack OK?) than buy the bits and do it themselves? How many could look at a pile of parts from their model on a bench and say, 'that's the pump, that's the steam boiler, that's the pressure valve etc?
    Last edited by Journeyman; 12 November 2013, 02:32 PM. Reason: Change John to Robert - memory issues. :D
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