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  • #46
    Think I might just let that one sit...

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Dragunov21 View Post
      It's all down to personal choice, but you'd still sound less fruity asking for a "doppio ristretto three-quarter latte". If you're not so strapped for time than you can't afford a full sentence you could also run with "Can I please have a flat white with a bit less milk?" Most places I've been to cut the shots while they're still syrupy for milk drinks anyway, so I suspect that'd sort you.

      Welcome to CoffeeSnobs, btw
      Cheers for the welcome! I've been lurking for so long that it doesn't feel like I'm new.

      I guess I've been searching for a quick way to order my coffee for so long that I can see the benefits of a shorthand. I wish I had a dollar for every time I've had a variant of the following conversation:

      - I'll have a double macchiato please
      - You mean a long macchiato?
      - Yeah but no water please?
      - Confused silence
      - Just a double espresso with a touch of milk.
      - oh ok.. *turns to the barista*.. umm this guy wants like a double long machiato with milk or something
      - hands me a cup full of something that looks and tastes like dishwater.
      *everyone in line behind me looks annoyed, and thinks why can't this wanker just order a normal coffee like everyone else*

      Thankfully I've found a place near work that understood my order straight away. Now they just give me the usual so I don't have to annoy everyone with the stupid conversation.

      I wonder, does your handle come from a fondness from sniper rifles or do we have an ethnic heritage in common?

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      • #48
        Oh, whups, I should've checked the join date...

        Fair points, those.

        Originally posted by simulacrum View Post
        I wonder, does your handle come from a fondness from sniper rifles or do we have an ethnic heritage in common?
        I actually get this quite a bit. The name is an old username from back when I used to play Ghost Recon. That said, the language is on my list of things to learn one day.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by simulacrum View Post
          Cheers for the welcome! I've been lurking for so long that it doesn't feel like I'm new.

          I guess I've been searching for a quick way to order my coffee for so long that I can see the benefits of a shorthand. I wish I had a dollar for every time I've had a variant of the following conversation:

          - I'll have a double macchiato please
          - You mean a long macchiato?
          - Yeah but no water please?
          - Confused silence
          - Just a double espresso with a touch of milk.
          - oh ok.. *turns to the barista*.. umm this guy wants like a double long machiato with milk or something
          - hands me a cup full of something that looks and tastes like dishwater.
          *everyone in line behind me looks annoyed, and thinks why can't this wanker just order a normal coffee like everyone else*

          Thankfully I've found a place near work that understood my order straight away. Now they just give me the usual so I don't have to annoy everyone with the stupid conversation.

          I wonder, does your handle come from a fondness from sniper rifles or do we have an ethnic heritage in common?
          Um, a long mac doesn't normally have water added. Hence the confused silence.

          Sounds like you just want a traditional long mac...

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          • #50
            Originally posted by MrJack View Post
            Um, a long mac doesn't normally have water added. Hence the confused silence.

            Sounds like you just want a traditional long mac...
            I would agree with you, but this was at a place that does stretch their long mac. This was after I had gone through the exercise of just ordering a long mac at all the cafes in the area. To my surprise most of them served me a stretched coffee.. which I really don't like. I think there must be a large number of people (surely all deviants ;P) who want their long macs stretched and have changed what a lot of people consider the standard definition of the beverage.

            To be fair I only get confusion when the person I order the coffee from isn't the barista. When I speak directly to a barista I've been met with either "you mean a long mac the way its supposed to be served!", or "Oh, you mean a double shot short mac!"... I've resigned myself to the fact that whenever I change to a different regular cafe I have to go through the exercise of explaining what I want.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by MrJack View Post
              Um, a long mac doesn't normally have water added. Hence the confused silence.

              Sounds like you just want a traditional long mac...
              "Shouldn't normally have water added"

              I've been caught by this a few times, some places seem to think a long mac is a long black stained with milk not a double shot of espresso stained with milk...

              I typically ask for a "double-shot short mac" (at least first time around) as a result.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by jbrewster View Post
                "Shouldn't normally have water added"

                I've been caught by this a few times, some places seem to think a long mac is a long black stained with milk
                I thought that was an Americano.

                I've had many a terrible long mac (and one behind-the-counter conference when the staff tried to work out what one was). Have never had the experience of hot water though.

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                • #53
                  An Americano is a long black; no milk. There might be a lot of different interpretations for other drinks but I think that one's pretty solid.

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                  • #54
                    At work a Long Mac is a double shot on top of hot water, stained with textured milk.

                    M

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by MrJack View Post
                      I thought that was an Americano.

                      I've had many a terrible long mac (and one behind-the-counter conference when the staff tried to work out what one was). Have never had the experience of hot water though.
                      Count yourself lucky. There's nothing like the disappointment of ordering your morning coffee and knowing its going to be dishwater as soon as they hand it to you, because you can instantly tell by the weight of the cup that they've stretched it!

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                      • #56
                        A long mac being made with water makes sense, since an espresso is a short black, and an espresso on water is a long black. By extension, a long mac ought to be be a normal macchiato on water. Perhaps a 'strong mac' for a double shot with a dash of milk would be clearest, as this is consistent with 'strong' meaning a double shot in the context of a strong latte or strong flat white (at least at some places in Sydney) although I agree that a double shot macchiato isn't really going to be much *stronger* (per mL) than a single shot, whereas the difference with a latte or FW would be much more pronounced

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by papagoose View Post
                          A long mac being made with water makes sense, since an espresso is a short black, and an espresso on water is a long black. By extension, a long mac ought to be be a normal macchiato on water. Perhaps a 'strong mac' for a double shot with a dash of milk would be clearest, as this is consistent with 'strong' meaning a double shot in the context of a strong latte or strong flat white (at least at some places in Sydney) although I agree that a double shot macchiato isn't really going to be much *stronger* (per mL) than a single shot, whereas the difference with a latte or FW would be much more pronounced
                          Having had so many problems with this particular beverage I've given this some thought. Macchiato is just an adjective meaning "stained". So in a world where language was consistent a lungo macchiato or long macchiato would be a long black with a touch of milk and a doppio macchiato or double macchiato would be a double shot with a touch of milk. Unfortunately, language being the democratic beast that it is, I don't think we're likely to see any move towards consistent nomenclature in the barista community.

                          PS - Try a google image search for macchiato - apparently this thread has barely scratched the surface of beverages sold under this name (o.O)

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