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  • TampIt
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    Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
    OK... that's twice now that you've referred to Mahlkonig as being Swiss. I'm pretty sure they're based in Hamburg... and that is definitely in Germany
    Hi Vinitasse & Yelta

    I usually trust my memory, however as stated there were two countries listed. Manual: Swiss. Carton says German (Hamburg).

    I finally remembered to turn it over when changing beans. Photo attached.

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    Swiss it is.

    TampIt

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  • TampIt
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    Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
    Wasn't picking on Tampit at all... was just being my usual pedantic self. If the crux of one's argument was to be summed up as follows: "I guess it comes down to Swiss vs Italian engineering again: no contest." ...I would hope that they get the nationalities straight.

    And, since you brought it up, I do much prefer it when someone is able to provide 10 words worth of useful information by actually using 10 words, rather than requiring hundreds to deliver the same message. After all, life is far to short as it is.

    I
    Hi Vinitasse

    Wasn't picking on Tampit at all... was just being my usual pedantic self: Wasn't taken that way by me. If I get something wrong, I would always appreciate the correction. The 'net has more than enough fiction without me adding to it.

    Oops: Germany it is. I bought three coffee things on the same day, the other two are Swiss. Better make that German vs Italian engineering: still no contest IMHO.

    As Noidle pointed out, they are now half Swiss (give or take a %). Manual says Swiss, carton says Germany. I will have to turn the grinder over next time I change beans... probably says Fiji.

    TampIt

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  • Dragunov21
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    Possibly better to discuss moderating decisions in pm...

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  • noidle22
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    Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
    Wasn't picking on Tampit at all... was just being my usual pedantic self. If the crux of one's argument was to be summed up as follows: "I guess it comes down to Swiss vs Italian engineering again: no contest." ...I would hope that they get the nationalities straight.

    And, since you brought it up, I do much prefer it when someone is able to provide 10 words worth of useful information by actually using 10 words, rather than requiring hundreds to deliver the same message. After all, life is far to short as it is.

    I
    Fair enough, I personally like a mix of long and short responses. A good write up on a topic can be a good read, it can cover multiple topics and provide insight on several points. I can understand why people can't be bothered reading through it all though.

    At work, I tend to write a lot in an email but this mostly keeps the back and forth with the emailing to a minimum as the recipient doesn't need to ask questions about something because I've already covered it. It ensures efficient use of time. I think this is probably why I lean towards liking long replies more.

    Also, to mention something sort of on topic, I'll probably be buying a Compak K3 Push or a Macap M4M when I get back from holidays.

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  • Javaphile
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    Let's keep it civil folks.


    Java "Polishing his boots" phile

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  • Vinitasse
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    Originally posted by noidle22 View Post
    After some research, yes Mahlkonig is based in Hamburg but as of 2007 they merged with a company named Ditting from Switzerland. Since then, it's been a joint venture with manufacturing plants in both Hamburg, Germany and Bachenbulach, Switzerland.

    As the grinder being discussed here is a Vario, which was released in 2009 for domestic use, I would imagine it would have design influences from the Swiss. It does say that Ditting and Mahlkonig will continue as two separate entities so I'm not sure how much their partnership affects new products and their brand names.

    Read here for more info: History of the traditional brand manufacturer Mahlkönig. - Mahlkönig

    Not sure if people just pick on Tampit's posts because they think they're too long or something, or they're peeved that he probably knows more than they do, but it's a bit tedious seeing it in like every thread.
    Wasn't picking on Tampit at all... was just being my usual pedantic self. If the crux of one's argument was to be summed up as follows: "I guess it comes down to Swiss vs Italian engineering again: no contest." ...I would hope that they get the nationalities straight.

    And, since you brought it up, I do much prefer it when someone is able to provide 10 words worth of useful information by actually using 10 words, rather than requiring hundreds to deliver the same message. After all, life is far to short as it is.

    I

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  • noidle22
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    Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
    OK... that's twice now that you've referred to Mahlkonig as being Swiss. I'm pretty sure they're based in Hamburg... and that is definitely in Germany
    After some research, yes Mahlkonig is based in Hamburg but as of 2007 they merged with a company named Ditting from Switzerland. Since then, it's been a joint venture with manufacturing plants in both Hamburg, Germany and Bachenbulach, Switzerland.

    As the grinder being discussed here is a Vario, which was released in 2009 for domestic use, I would imagine it would have design influences from the Swiss. It does say that Ditting and Mahlkonig will continue as two separate entities so I'm not sure how much their partnership affects new products and their brand names.

    Read here for more info: http://www.mahlkoenig.com/pages/comp...Language=en_US

    Not sure if people just pick on Tampit's posts because they think they're too long or something, or they're peeved that he probably knows more than they do, but it's a bit tedious seeing it in like every thread.

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  • Yelta
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    Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
    OK... that's twice now that you've referred to Mahlkonig as being Swiss. I'm pretty sure they're based in Hamburg... and that is definitely in Germany
    And I'm pretty sure your correct Vinitasse, Germany it is.

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  • Vinitasse
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    OK... that's twice now that you've referred to Mahlkonig as being Swiss. I'm pretty sure they're based in Hamburg... and that is definitely in Germany

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  • TampIt
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    Originally posted by AFC View Post
    The burrs may outlast the grinder.
    Hi AFC

    Sorry to shatter your myth: pick up a Mahlkonig Vario gen2 (they are surprisingly heavy) and then check out the industrial strength frame wrapped around a domestic shell. I come from a family of engineers and the Vario gen2 is a very solid beast indeed under the skin. Even the top burr holder is beyond most commercials in terms of solidity.

    Too early to tell, however I suspect it may outlast a Robur SJ, and I have years of experience with them. The Vario burrs are almost certainly able to go a lot longer if the research is accurate: 3 times the life of equivalent "Mahlkonig steel" burrs. Some cafes I still deal with have to replace their SJ burrs every three months or so (a $2,000 yearly hit). One of them has a ten+ year old Mahlkonig (EK43 ancestor) still on the original auger / burrs. Apart from guesstimating it has done way over a tonne of coffee (& outlasted the last 4 owners), it still does a better grind than their SJ managed after I did an A to Z clean & calibrate. They are now looking at the EK43 and the Forte based on running costs alone. All the Mahlkonig's seem to do a much better, tighter particle spread at Turkish to espresso grinds compared to their competitors.

    I guess it comes down to Swiss vs Italian engineering again: no contest.

    Add to that the domestic friendliness of the Vario (no mess on the bench, quiet, small footprint, accurate & fast to adjust within espresso ranges, minimal grind retention).

    TampIt

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  • AFC
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    Originally posted by TampIt View Post
    I bought a Mahlkonig Vario for home (at less than half the Robur price). Time will tell how often I need to replace the long life ceramic burrs, however I suspect I am talking years



    The burrs may outlast the grinder.

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  • Ronin
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    Something I noticed that doesn't seem to be pointed out.
    You are getting flavours you don't like with beans from Nessun Dorma but you don't get them at either LTD or DiBella.
    Have you tried beans from either ltd or DiBella at home?

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  • TampIt
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    Originally posted by AFC View Post
    The dose is fine, my advice if budget permits is to buy a Mazzer Robur-E( probably the best and last grinder you will ever buy in the current market.) I find hand grinders to be very inconsistent in particle size.
    I would defy anyone to prove a good set of burrs in a Pharos would be "inconsistent in particle size". Even more so the HG one. Actually, it would have to be a freshly cleaned and calibrated Robur to come close. One other point: would you back the engineering of an Italian commercial & industrial grinder company or a Swiss industrial grinder company who is only recently going "downmarket" into commercial and domestic? That and incredibly good "finer than traditional espresso" performance & adjustment is why I bought a Mahlkonig Vario for home (at less than half the Robur price). Time will tell how often I need to replace the long life ceramic burrs, however I suspect I am talking years.

    Originally posted by TOK View Post
    Hi there.

    Look, I gotta disagree on that one. Great for those running (real) volume cafes, for which it is designed, but not a good home grinder for those two cups of coffee in the morning....kind of like buying a kenworth prime mover for the wife to run the kids to school every morning. Perhaps "best" in the situation it is designed for, but in my opinion, not so for the application which is the subject of this thread.
    + 1 TOK. The "kenworth prime mover" quote is exactly why I bought a Mahlkonig Vario and have semi-retired my RR45 (another big beast conical). Less than 5 coffees and the big beast is not really into its stride. Testing it at Xmas party, the Vario did 40 coffees in two hours without getting warm. Impressive by any standard. I did have the RR45 on standby as I was waiting for the Vario to show a sign of stress. It didn't. Another nice surprise from the Swiss (quiet, small and no mess on the bench are the other "nice to live with points").

    Enjoy your NY


    TampIt

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  • TOK
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    Hi there.

    Look, I gotta disagree on that one. Great for those running (real) volume cafes, for which it is designed, but not a good home grinder for those two cups of coffee in the morning....kind of like buying a kenworth prime mover for the wife to run the kids to school every morning. Perhaps "best" in the situation it is designed for, but in my opinion, not so for the application which is the subject of this thread.

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  • AFC
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    The dose is fine, my advice if budget permits is to buy a Mazzer Robur-E( probably the best and last grinder you will ever buy in the current market.) I find hand grinders to be very inconsistent in particle size.

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