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  • #16
    Originally posted by Recaffinated View Post
    Anyway when I went to make coffees that afternoon I was surprised and a little annoyed to see the roast date on the packets were the same date. roast? Or was it a bit rude to sell them on the same day without pointing out they had just been roasted?
    Fair go ...... you, being the coffee connoisseur, failed to check the roast date and want to hang it on the retailer?

    As a roaster I need to sell and/or ship my coffee ASAP after roasting, rather than hanging on to stock for 5 - 7 days waiting for all the connoisseurs to show up....
    exactly at the right moment. Or not.

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    • #17
      We all make mistakes. His first one was to forget to bring along his stash and the second mistake followed soon enough. Aren't they suppose to come in 3s?

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      • #18
        I suspect the third was starting this thread, he doesn't seem to have garnered a lot of sympathy.

        Guess we all have bad days.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by chokkidog View Post
          Fair go ...... you, being the coffee connoisseur, failed to check the roast date and want to hang it on the retailer?

          As a roaster I need to sell and/or ship my coffee ASAP after roasting, rather than hanging on to stock for 5 - 7 days waiting for all the connoisseurs to show up....
          exactly at the right moment. Or not.
          Can I ask you a question though, Chokkidog? Now I don't know whether you sell from any form of a retail shopfront, but let's say you did....if someone bought beans on the day of roasting, surely you'd point this out (or want any staff you may have to point this out) to the buyer? Got to be a better chance of repeat business from a drop in customer (partic. those that don't know a lot about roasting / brewing dates).

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          • #20
            Woulda been much more of a mistake had it been 3 months old!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Yelta View Post
              I suspect the third was starting this thread, he doesn't seem to have garnered a lot of sympathy.

              Guess we all have bad days.
              I might be on my own here, but I think the OP is copping a bit more flack than is necessary, largely based on the title of the thread, rather than the full text of his/her post, or their later post where they clarified their point (post #14).

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              • #22
                Point taken Barry, still don't reckon he had anything to whinge about.

                I reckon his experience was a pretty good outcome, do ya reckon he will check the roast date next time?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                  Point taken Barry, still don't reckon he had anything to whinge about.

                  I reckon his experience was a pretty good outcome, do ya reckon he will check the roast date next time?
                  Yes, I think he/she might very well do so

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                  • #24
                    Perhaps the OP would be happier if coffee were labelled with the following warning: "WARNING, Contents May Be Fresh" in the same way that coffee takeaway lids in the U.S. declare: "WARNING, Contents May Be Hot"

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                    • #25
                      Sounds like it could come under the banner of being a '1st world problem'.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
                        Can I ask you a question though, Chokkidog? if someone bought beans on the day of roasting, surely you'd point this out to the buyer?
                        It's rare for me to sell on roast day, by the time I've roasted, destoned, packaged, printed off invoices and packed orders for shipping/delivery......it's usually dark.

                        For that reason I avoid roasting Thursday or Friday.... to aid in delivery time.

                        For those that receive orders by mail or courier, their coffee is usually in their hands 2-5 days post roast. My clients order so as not to run out, so resting is not an issue. What is the issue for me, however, is that the clients get control of their purchase as soon as possible. Once it has been paid for, it belongs to them, not me.

                        Deliveries?......Some wholesale clients want their coffee delivered at day 7, others ASAP after roasting....... it's their choice.

                        Now, let's step out of the bubble, both yours and mine, just for a moment. I have direct retail outlets via a couple of markets, so the coffee I sell on weekends is (normally) between 2 and 3 days fresh.

                        My regulars, an ever-growing number, come and purchase their beans and while the transaction takes place, engage in conversation about this or that; sometimes coffee, sometimes not.

                        New customers will often ask a series of questions,....... is it ground ? No. It's just beans?..... Yes. What beans are in it? .....xxxxx. What does it taste like?...... yadayadayada.

                        So, inevitably, it'll come around to me asking; so how do you prepare your coffee at home? If it's a plunger........you can use it straight up; if it's a machine or moka pot? It'll be best from Monday or Tuesday .......... but most people already have coffee in their cupboard.

                        There are the folk buying coffee for Mum, or Dad, daughter or son.......... they don't generally listen to anything I say.

                        And then there are the ones who just don't want to engage, just silently hand you the cash and walk off with their prize.

                        One thing's for certain tho' ; my business is growing not shrinking. So in the big wide world of reality.......... not everyone is a coffee snob.

                        I recently had one couple come to my stall. They purchased a 250 gm bag from me a year ago, but she became pregnant before they opened it.

                        They had kept it, drank it recently (!!!!), said it was fantastic and wanted more. I said that I hoped it wouldn't be another year...........wink, wink!!



                        [/QUOTE] Got to be a better chance of repeat business from a drop in customer (partic. those that don't know a lot about roasting / brewing dates).[/QUOTE]

                        Incomplete sentence but I think I know where you're going.......

                        No, you're thinking like a coffee snob. If they open the coffee the day after purchase, it's likely to be 4 days old. By the time they finish the bag it will be 10-14 or more days old.

                        By then they will have forgotten how it tasted when they first opened it but realised how much they have come to like it.

                        I have only knowingly lost one client, (who could have become regular)........... but they wanted a PNG coffee roasted 'til it was oily
                        and only 500 gms/ fortnight >>I told them that it wasn't going to happen.

                        We parted still 'friendly'. No harm done, I recommended someone else. There may be others of course....... no-one has come and told me!!

                        But it's not for want of good coffee. ;-)
                        Last edited by chokkidog; 2 June 2014, 12:01 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Frankly I'm astounded by the dismissive or critical nature of many of the responses. Many of which misrepresent the primary point of post. I had said I was annoyed because I would have thought a speciality roaster which charges a (well deserved ) premium for their roasted coffee did not point out that coffee would not be at its best consumed on the day of roast. I did not say they should not sell it the same day and instead leave it in some cellar to age - for goodness sakes!

                          Sure roasters are entitled to sell their coffee in whatever manner or within whatever timeframe they choose. I had intended my point to be about information and education and improving the general knowledge of the average consumer.
                          sure I should have checked the roast date - I don't blame Campos for that. But seriously I had thought this forum was meant to be a supportive way to exchange ideas and information about coffee and what I have seen in this thread suggests otherwise. I have tried to be fair but except for a couple of posts I don't believe that the same courtesy has been afforded to me. I originally thought I would try to address some of the criticisms that were unfounded but it would be a tall order because there have been so many comments that don't really stand up to much scrutiny.
                          To suggest for example my post is indicative of a "first world problem" is so laughable in the context of this forum but is indicative of the nature of the responses from many posters who I had until now respect for. Many of the commercial roasters on this forum have been so critical of what I thought was a minor but yet a point worthy of discussion I'm at a loss to understand why they would react so vehemently. Yes I know consumers are annoying and expect everything for nothing but I went to great lengths to try and explain that I held the specific roaster in high regard but that hasn't seemed to blunt the attack.

                          anyway it's quite disappointing and I think I will keep my questions to myself from now on.

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                          • #28
                            I saw no "attack" in the thread Recaffeiated, reckon you need to lighten up a little, most of it consists of light hearted banter.

                            However if any of my comments offended you I apologise.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Recaffinated View Post
                              Frankly I'm astounded by the dismissive or critical nature of many of the responses. Many of which misrepresent the primary point of post. I had said I was annoyed because I would have thought a speciality roaster which charges a (well deserved ) premium for their roasted coffee did not point out that coffee would not be at its best consumed on the day of roast. I did not say they should not sell it the same day and instead leave it in some cellar to age - for goodness sakes!

                              Sure roasters are entitled to sell their coffee in whatever manner or within whatever timeframe they choose. I had intended my point to be about information and education and improving the general knowledge of the average consumer.
                              sure I should have checked the roast date - I don't blame Campos for that. But seriously I had thought this forum was meant to be a supportive way to exchange ideas and information about coffee and what I have seen in this thread suggests otherwise. I have tried to be fair but except for a couple of posts I don't believe that the same courtesy has been afforded to me. I originally thought I would try to address some of the criticisms that were unfounded but it would be a tall order because there have been so many comments that don't really stand up to much scrutiny.
                              To suggest for example my post is indicative of a "first world problem" is so laughable in the context of this forum but is indicative of the nature of the responses from many posters who I had until now respect for. Many of the commercial roasters on this forum have been so critical of what I thought was a minor but yet a point worthy of discussion I'm at a loss to understand why they would react so vehemently. Yes I know consumers are annoying and expect everything for nothing but I went to great lengths to try and explain that I held the specific roaster in high regard but that hasn't seemed to blunt the attack.

                              anyway it's quite disappointing and I think I will keep my questions to myself from now on.
                              You certainly didn't mind sharing with everyone how you were "annoyed" and thought that the roastery had been "a bit rude" to sell beans on the same day they were roasted without providing any of the cautions and warnings you seemed to be in need of. It would seem to me that you have no difficulty being critical of the actions of others so perhaps it is only fair that you be willing to wear a bit of the same in return when others do not completely concur.

                              Let me ask you this... do you get annoyed, or think it rude, when Coles doesn't warn you that the green bananas you just bought are not at their best for immediate consumption and will most definitely improve after a few days... or ... do you simply rely on your own common sense and knowledge and make such decisions without someone holding your hand and pointing you in the right direction?

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                              • #30
                                I have to agree with Yelta... many of us were merely presenting "the other side of the coin" in a light hearted sort of way. Please feel free to share your opinions as often as you like but do not be surprised when these opinions are countered, refuted or even dismissed out of hand. Conversation and dialogue has to be a two way street or else it is comes across as nothing more than a speech or a rant. We're all here to share so please don't be shy.

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