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  • #16
    Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    I've had no problem getting them to tell me the roast date when picking up a bag from the Fyshwick shop. I don't get it....but that's it's their choice I guess.
    Not my experience, but at only one attempt. May depend on who you speak to.

    I don't get it either. Well, I do. Many of their customers may not care as much, until there's a roast date on the packet, and then they want the newest, and so "older" (but not that old) stock is hard to sell.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by gunda View Post
      I'm in the ACT. I read this post by Andy as indicating that questions about where to buy were off-limits.

      Based on that ACCC page, I think my comments about standards were right. Standards bodies don't create law on their own, in this case the states & territories have chosen to legislate them, as they often do.
      No, if you read through various threads (such as the good cafes in xxxxx) there are plenty of references to non sponsor roasters.

      It's always good to support sponsors of the site but it's not mandatory; sometimes it's also good to support local
      business, especially in remote or smaller communities. Googling ACT roasters will yield results. Good luck in finding some beans you like!

      You are right in the fact of states not choosing but being required to give legal force to the Food Standards Code.

      Here is a run down of how it works:

      Who is responsible for food safety in Australia? - Department of Agriculture

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      • #18
        Originally posted by gunda View Post

        One question I'd like to ask as a noob is where others in my vicinity buy their beans, and are there any that include roast dates? I gather that this question (where to buy) is not allowed here - but if any residents of the national capital wanted to send me a PM about this they'd be most welcome to do so. The one place that did is a very small local roaster, and while I like to support local, they have a *very* limited range of beans / roasts.
        Hi gunda
        I would recommend Lonsdale street Roasters and Two before Ten as excellent canberra speciality roasters. Ona Coffee also does a great job. They all have roast dates on their packets.

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        • #19
          LSR don't. I got some of their beans last week from their place in Lonsdale St, and none of the packets had dates. I intend to visit the other two.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by gunda View Post
            LSR don't. I got some of their beans last week from their place in Lonsdale St, and none of the packets had dates. I intend to visit the other two.
            Yep you're right I just checked a bag of LSRs in the pantry which I could have sworn would have had a roast date stamped on it. I'm almost certain about the other two roasters as I recall checking their roast dates before purchasing from them in the past.

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            • #21
              Red Brick in Curtin do sometimes, and if there's no date you can talk to the person who did the roasting. But they don't have a big range. There's a seasonal blend and a couple of SOs that vary. A little pricey too, probably because they're small.

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              • #22
                Two Before Ten definitely have roast dates on their bags, and the one or two that I've purchased over the years have been very good. They may be a little disrupted for the next few weeks as there's about to be some major demolition work on the other half of the building they're in.

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                • #23
                  All roasted beans ordered through BeanBay have the DATE and the TIME they were roasted!

                  The date/time-stamp is added to the stickers automatically as we print them, stick them on the bags and fill them with beans.

                  Nothing to hide and the information helps people understand which end of the day they were roasted if that's important to them determining exactly how long they have rested.

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                  • #24
                    10,9,8,7,6,5.......Counting down the minutes........ ;-D

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                    • #25
                      I just placed an order, so I do hope that's an atomic clock that you're using Andy to record and print the time!! Freshness is measured in nanoseconds on this forum it seems.

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                      • #26
                        How did you know?
                        Stratum 2 atomic sync.... Time.Deakin.edu.au
                        .... Pretty close to perfectly accurate.

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                        • #27
                          Should have added... The reason for the time is sometimes I'm still roasting at 10 or 11pm so the day isn't really a great indication when the coffee mostly arrives next day.

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                          • #28
                            I'm not surprised that like Andy, we smaller roasters have no issues with roast date on our batches. Our roast dates are also published on our website so that clients know exactly what they're purchasing.

                            Problems can occur when you upscale though:
                            • Big roaster roasts perhaps 12-16 origins/blend bases in batches of say 120-240kg. These go to silos for storage.
                            • Post roast blends then created from mixes of their bases and/or origins. What roast date should go on them?
                            • The small roaster dilemma. Our "Jumpstart" blend consists of a pre-roast blend to which a % of separately roasted robusta is added post-roast. It's the only blend with a robusta component we do. Ideally, I'd like to age the robusta for a week as I prefer the way that the blend develops when produced this way. What roast date should go on the bag? Both dates? Dunno. Most recently, We've just been roasting all components on the same day, but at the expense of a little of the zing in the blend...Makes the date part easy to do though

                            Cheers

                            Chris
                            Last edited by TC; 2 September 2014, 10:22 PM. Reason: additional info

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                            • #29
                              All valid points.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by gunda View Post
                                ...
                                My question is: is not putting a roast date on a packet standard practice?
                                ...Thanks.
                                AFAIK there is no standard practice and individuals businesses are at liberty to do whatever they feel is the right thing, based on sound business decisions, for themselves.

                                On the other hand clients are at liberty to buy whatever they like from wherever, for whatever reason. We all do this whether its coffee or anything else.

                                I have professionally cupped coffee from various roasters in Canberra and can say, from the perspective of this topic, that there are roasters that may well be placing roasted on dates on their packets, but the coffee that has been bought and cupped from time to time was well (WELL) below standard. A roasted on date is not a guarantee of a good product that cups well. On the other hand one of the roasters mentioned above that uses a code system on its packets instead of a roast date, won 9 medals at the Hobart Fine Food Show a few weeks ago for blends and SO's that it sells over the counter to its clients.

                                So the topic really isnt as simple as it may seem, and I hope that helps.
                                Last edited by TOK; 3 September 2014, 01:41 AM. Reason: still awake

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