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John,
With this type of machine I would extract first and then steam.... you may be able to cool the unit more quickly by either turning on the hot water (if it has such a facility.... or just start to extract without the PF..... that will replace the hot water in the boiler with cooler water and get you back to brewing temperature more quickly.
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As Viviane said though James the machine heats up after steaming, it depends on how quickly you can get it back down to shot temperature if it were to be done milk first.
I should think it is easier to make the shot first then steam than to try adjust the temperature back down.
After all, they are designed to heat to shot temp.
If you dont steam you can pull a few shots with less temp variation than forcing the temp up by setting it for steaming.
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Coffeewise,
If the freshly made espresso changes characteristics as it cools off, what happens if it is mixed with milk and sipped over a 10 minute period of time?
Does coffee (when mixed with milk) change characteristics and flavours over a 10 minute period of time?
Just wondering if I have to gulp down my coffee as quickly as possible in order to get the best out of it, rather than linger and sip slowly over a conversation with someone.
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Is it possible with this Sunbeam to draw water through the steam arm - if so draw the steam out until water appears. I know that some of the brevilles and sumbeams dont let you do this.
I would always recommend preparing the milk before the coffee, I would rather have warm milk than oxidised coffee.
If the coffee shot is let to sit for even a small amount of time it will obviously cool down and in the process, drastically change the flavours and characteristics of the coffee.
James
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Sullo, I dont know the machine you and John are using, but single boiler and thermoblock machines will all be too hot for espresso shots after steaming - the machine needs to heat up to a much higher temperature to produce the steam. Try pulling all your shots then switching to steaming the milk. Also, flushing water through the group will cool it down a lot faster than turning the machine off - this forces some cold water through its system. Youll need to play around with this, a stop watch or similar timer would come in handy. Have fun.
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one tip with this machine (I have one) turn it off after making the first one, might just be mine but it gets way too hot after making the first one and steaming the milk. I find I turn mine off for about 10 mins otherwise the second coffee you make comes out too hot and has a burnt smell to it. Dont know why it does this but someone here will have a good reason why. But definetly if you can get a good grinder, makes the world of difference, I purchased a sunbeam EM0480 for $175 and the dfference it made was unbelieveable. If youve got the time, have a read thru the grinders section and go thru the sponsored links.
Plus ask questions here, they are a really nice group and have helped me in leaps and bounds.
Cheers
Steve
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ty i got it and read its all starting to make sense now
and the 1 cup basket is missing i see
also the milk/cream thing has been solved
for a start i will use fresh ground from a shop yet to found
ty all for the friendly help
i look fwd to learning more and enjoying making my wife a bice coffee
john
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John,
Manual has been sent.
Good luck and enjoy the journey. The EM2300 is a small boiler machine so with normal baskets it should make a good coffee.
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No problem John,
Firstly dual crema system....
When you apply water under pressure to firmly tamped (pressed) fresh coffee it extracts the coffee oils and the carbon dioxide which is in the grinds.... and they form the lovely crema (head) on the espresso....
With old beans or poor technique this wont happen.... so they invented a system where the coffee basket has two walls.... the second has a small pin hole in it through which the coffee is forced..... and as it squeezes through it generates the false crema.... looks good but doesnt taste good!!!
You can buy normal baskets (only a single wall). With these you need fresh coffee, ground to the correct size and you need to tamp it into the basket properly - you will then get great tasting coffee with real crema....
Now how to use the machine....
Send me a PM with your email address - Ive downloaded a manual for you and will email it.
or you can download it from:
http://www.sunbeam.com.au/product_documents/EM2300_ib.pdf
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ty for the good advice
this bit lost me what and how do i use?
The EM2300 has the "Italian design dual-wall "crema" system" that produces faux crema from supermarket coffee.
Getting replacement "single wall" baskets may be an option and then a good grinder and freshly roastted coffee will make a big difference as I said.
and i do need to know how to use this machine like after water in etc
sorry for being a pain
john
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John,
Carindale is in QLD I think.....
I live in WA so dont know the local scene, but there are quite a few Queensland members who can help you out as to good places to buy roasted beans - and some of the site sponsors also sell roasted beans (Andy will be selling them from CoffeeSnobs Brown soon as well) but dont buy them from the Supermarket - they will be stale!!!.... :P
Re grinders, you could buy something like the Sunbeam EM480.... and you can get them from discount electrical dealers.... they do an OK job.... but Id really recommend an Iberital grinder (which the site sponsors sell) - far better grind quality and great support from the site sponsors as well..... But because they are better they are also more expensive...
Have a look at :
http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1163235531
which has details of lots of grinders (some quite expensive).... One thing to remember great coffee is more dependant on a good grinder and fresh beans than the machine used..... So always spend as much as you can afford to get a good grinder.
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Most "uneducated" coffee drinkers buy preground beans from the supermarket.
Freshly roasted beans, ground just before use, give an immensely better taste.
The EM2300 has the "Italian design dual-wall "crema" system" that produces faux crema from supermarket coffee.
Getting replacement "single wall" baskets may be an option and then a good grinder and freshly roastted coffee will make a big difference as I said.
However, be warned, you are on a new and long journey to better coffee.
I dont want to scare you, but the cheapest acceptable grinder for espresso is over $300.
A grinder is actually more important than the machine.
A good grinder will bring out the best in the beans AND the machine.
But an expensive machine will not reach its potential with a cheap grinder.
No rush though.
Get the best you can out of the EM2300 and move onward and upward as you learn.
EDIT: I see Im typing slow again tonight.
John the sponsors list on the list is a good place to start.
Any of them will do you a great deal and give good after sales service.
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excellent thats the teaching i need
so where do i but a grinder and the beans ,,i live near westfield carindale but
cant remember seeing them
john
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John,
Hi and welcome to CoffeeSnobs....
The first rule of good coffee is to use fresh beans... So what are fresh beans?
After roasting whole beans last about 3 weeks before going stale - the flavours decrease and the coffee tastes dull and uninteresting....
Ground beans last 3 minutes before they deteriorate..... So if you buy them preground they will be stale when you get them home....
We buy freshly roasted beans (many of us roast them ourselves)... and then grind them as we need them... in which case you need a coffee grinder (and a reasonable quality one) to convert the whole beans into ground beans.
Please ask any questions you need - only too happy to help.
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