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  • Vinitasse
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    Because we can... and some of us do know how to seal them properly

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  • FineGrind
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    Both Yelta and Kevo make good suggestions. But the reason for not being able to purchase coffee from a wide variety of shops, should not be something as ridiculous as because their bags are not air tight. That is like going to the supermarket and only being able to buy twisties, because all the other chip bags are not sealed properly! I just want to make light of the fact that these bags are no good. The bags such as Andy uses, that have been being used for a long time, have never given me any problems whatsoever. They work and there is no need to change them, so why do so?

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  • Kevo
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    A simple solution I would use FG.
    First and foremost; feedback to your supplier(s) on your findings. (Then they'll know why they've lost a customer.)
    Secondly, order from suppliers that use packaging that meets your needs. (There's plenty out there!)

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  • Yelta
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    Originally posted by FineGrind View Post
    I have not had that experience at all myself. I have had these bags from four reputable online coffee shops and have had problems with many of the bags. If the heat seal didn't fail, air would suck back through the ziplock section. One place was even a coffee subscription for a year, and plenty of those failed. I am not writing about these bags for the fun of it. I have had a LOT of problems with them. And I am sick of wondering if the next online coffee order I place is going to arrive stale. Seriously.
    So! keep buying from Andy.

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  • FineGrind
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    Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
    The bags are called "Box bottom bags" and they're perfectly good bags... if sealed correctly. These bags are squared off and designed to sit up proudly on display in retail settings. The construction of the bag is top-notch, the zip-locks seal perfectly and having gone through many thousands of these in 250g, 500g and 1kg sizes I have only ever had one dodgy valve and there have never been any sealing failures.

    I use a ceramic plate hair straightener to seal the bags. It provides a 15mm wide seal and the squared off ceramic plates can be tucked nice and neatly into the creases to ensure a proper seal. It's not about the tool being used, it's more about the tool using the tool.
    I have not had that experience at all myself. I have had these bags from four reputable online coffee shops and have had problems with many of the bags. If the heat seal didn't fail, air would suck back through the ziplock section. One place was even a coffee subscription for a year, and plenty of those failed. I am not writing about these bags for the fun of it. I have had a LOT of problems with them. And I am sick of wondering if the next online coffee order I place is going to arrive stale. Seriously.

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  • simonko
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    Originally posted by ScottyF View Post
    You've ended up with green beans? That's just not acceptable. My recommendation is that you take out your dissatisfaction and rage on them with a heat-emitting device. Perhaps not set fire to them, but really show them you are serious. I've got a Bosch heat gun you are welcome to borrow. Get that rage out...
    Yes, I decided to incinerate the whole 12.5 kg.

    Not too far from the truth actually. Whereas I meant to start the Rwandan at a much lower 20% heat, I accidentally did 80% and hollared a 'wtf' when I heard a crack at 5 minutes. Bin.

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  • LeroyC
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    I believe most of the generic bags you can buy are just 'food packaging' and not necessarily designed for coffee where an air tight seal is imperative. Is it possible some roasters are buying the wrong bags, or have been sent the wrong bags by their supplier?

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  • Lukemc
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    Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    We tried a box of them and also found that the negatives outweighed the positives. Whilst the zip locks were perfect, almost impossible to get a satisfactory seal on them...

    The solution for us was ultimately the biobag which is fully compostable. It's doesn't look as good as foil, but I'm happy to accept the tradeoff and lower our contribution of plastic stuff into landfill and fish.
    Any chance of you selling these in "home user" size packs Chris? Maybe 25-50 at a time?

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  • TC
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    Agreed they'd probably seal given that level of care and they look schmick...

    We upgraded our foot operated sealer $500ish to the recommended to do the job...Sadly, still fell short. Happy with our stand up Biobags...

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  • Vinitasse
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    The bags are called "Box bottom bags" and they're perfectly good bags... if sealed correctly. These bags are squared off and designed to sit up proudly on display in retail settings. The construction of the bag is top-notch, the zip-locks seal perfectly and having gone through many thousands of these in 250g, 500g and 1kg sizes I have only ever had one dodgy valve and there have never been any sealing failures.

    I use a ceramic plate hair straightener to seal the bags. It provides a 15mm wide seal and the squared off ceramic plates can be tucked nice and neatly into the creases to ensure a proper seal. It's not about the tool being used, it's more about the tool using the tool.

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  • TC
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    We tried a box of them and also found that the negatives outweighed the positives. Whilst the zip locks were perfect, almost impossible to get a satisfactory seal on them...

    The solution for us was ultimately the biobag which is fully compostable. It's doesn't look as good as foil, but I'm happy to accept the tradeoff and lower our contribution of plastic stuff into landfill and fish.

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  • FineGrind
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    Originally posted by Andy View Post
    Easy fix is to change suppliers!

    I suspect the reason you didn't get many bites in this thread is because we use really great bags for the roasted coffee and our customers are happy.

    100,000+ CoffeeSnobs roasted bags have left here and we have had problems with 4.
    2 were split (I guess when a 5 ton package was dropped on them during transit), one dodgy zip and one dodgy valve and we replaced the contents of all those in the next roast.

    The only other failures have been spiked by something sharp during transit... and there isn't much you can easily do to stop that happening short of using kevlar ballistic blankets inside the satchel.
    Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that Andy's bags have always been great. Your coffee bags are what every roaster should be using. They work! If it ain't broke don't fix it. These new type of bags are just over designed IMO. More that can go wrong just for the sake of having to have something new. Ridiculous.

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  • readeral
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    The benefit for the roaster of those rip sealed bags is that the bag has the ziplock pre-closed, all they have to do is throw beans in the open end and heat seal. In my opinion, a terrible trade off of convenience over the final products longevity. It's not like you have to seal the zip of a "traditional bag" before heat sealing it... But there you go.

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  • ScottyF
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    Originally posted by simonko View Post
    I got Coffee Snobs bags last week - no ziplock, not airtight - heck the beans had even gone green.
    You've ended up with green beans? That's just not acceptable. My recommendation is that you take out your dissatisfaction and rage on them with a heat-emitting device. Perhaps not set fire to them, but really show them you are serious. I've got a Bosch heat gun you are welcome to borrow. Get that rage out...

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  • Andy
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    Hmmm... so just to be clear I was talking about roasted coffee bags.
    (there's one in every crowd... normally me but you beat me to it simonko)

    We actually designed our own roasted bags after many months of research, not just graphics but the composition of them too.
    It's a 3 layer bag, the inner layer is PLA (renewable cornstarch based) and biodegradable, the next layer is foil which stops UV damage, the outer layer is PET (same as plastic coke bottles) with a biodegradable additive so it will break down and not stay intact for 100 years.

    Green beans also get special treatment, natural cotton (to breathe) with a zipper and made well enough that we recycle them, sometimes many times over.

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