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  • saroadie
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    Originally posted by tobeanornottobean View Post
    One point worth noting - regarding ratios. If pulling by eye: you can't use a 1:1 relationship between mls and grams. This is because of the fluffiness of the CO2 laden espresso doing its thing. I've found a 40 ml extraction may easily only weigh 20 or so grams.
    True. Another thing, as the beans age the fluffiness decreases.

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  • tobeanornottobean
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    One point worth noting - regarding ratios. If pulling by eye: you can't use a 1:1 relationship between mls and grams. This is because of the fluffiness of the CO2 laden espresso doing its thing. I've found a 40 ml extraction may easily only weigh 20 or so grams.

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  • saroadie
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    Originally posted by Yelta View Post

    Re the clouds in her coffee, perhaps she wasn't weighing her shots.
    .. or some average latte art

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  • TC
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    Originally posted by Yelta View Post
    Ha, that'd be Your So Vain.

    Guess the lad, like the subject of Carly's song, will remain a bit of a mystery.

    Re the clouds in her coffee, perhaps she wasn't weighing her shots.
    She did admit in a recent interview that verse 2 was Warren Beatty.

    The other verses may refer to others and still remain a mystery. As always, there are theories....

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  • rrm
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    Originally posted by Yelta View Post
    Ha, that'd be Your So Vain.

    Guess the lad, like the subject of Carly's song, will remain a bit of a mystery.

    Re the clouds in her coffee, perhaps she wasn't weighing her shots.
    It's a metaphorical line AFAIK

    Simon came up with the "Clouds in my coffee" line on a cross-country flight. She explained the meaning of the phrase, saying: "Clouds In My Coffee are the confusing aspects of life and love. That which you can't see through, and yet seems alluring... until. Like a mirage that turns into a dry patch. Perhaps there is something in the bottom of the coffee cup that you could read if you could (like tea leaves or coffee grinds)."

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  • Yelta
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    Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    . And I think one of the lads was the subject of a Carly Simon song that included a dream about having clouds in one's coffee.
    Ha, that'd be Your So Vain.

    Guess the lad, like the subject of Carly's song, will remain a bit of a mystery.

    Re the clouds in her coffee, perhaps she wasn't weighing her shots.

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  • Barry O'Speedwagon
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    Originally posted by flynnaus View Post
    Brought to you by the same mob who was singing about not getting any satisfaction.
    . And I think one of the lads was the subject of a Carly Simon song that included a dream about having clouds in one's coffee.

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  • tobeanornottobean
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    You can buy cheaper ones on line, however I use the barista smart scales. They are water proof, which is obviously a plus for when working around coffee, and the have a timer built in so you can time your shots (another vital aspect to getting your coffee in the ball park and tweaking flavour).

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  • rayuki
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    Originally posted by tobeanornottobean View Post
    It isn't phaffing if you have the right scales (don't need to be expensive). The scales sit under the cup. Pretty simple! It gives much greater certainty and consistency. And great when dialling in.

    That said, working from mls, as long as everything remains equal, will still give good repeatable results. I guess if it worked for the Italians....and plenty after. Mind you, talk to most baristas these days and they are gonna be using scales in some way. It just makes sense. Can you do it with out them? Sure. A useful tool though.
    What sort of scales do you use? I have a set of digital kitchen scales but don't think I could fit it in the tray with my cup on it when I'm actually pouring the shot, if this is what you meant? Your measuring during the shot? I'd love to do that but currently for me it's more a so it by eye/time and then measure it after and hope I've hit close to 60ml lol.

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  • tobeanornottobean
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    It isn't phaffing if you have the right scales (don't need to be expensive). The scales sit under the cup. Pretty simple! It gives much greater certainty and consistency. And great when dialling in.

    That said, working from mls, as long as everything remains equal, will still give good repeatable results. I guess if it worked for the Italians....and plenty after. Mind you, talk to most baristas these days and they are gonna be using scales in some way. It just makes sense. Can you do it with out them? Sure. A useful tool though.

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  • Yelta
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    Originally posted by Chris View Post
    True indeed but in essence it doesn't matter for this as its about simplifying to a ratio. 21g in 42g in 30secs out or 2/1 !
    If your looking for simplicity why not 21 grams in >< 40mls out into a shot measuring glass, so much simpler than pfaffing around weighing a shot, unless of course you enjoy playing chemist.

    Personally I can pretty much judge what a 30/60 ml shot looks like in one of my espresso cups, surely cant be much simpler than that.

    Thanks to DiBartoli for the image.
    PS not knocking your 2/1 ratio, it works.
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  • tobeanornottobean
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    That's a plus one from me re 1:2 ratio. It's a reliable entry point. And I'm not alone. Plenty of coffee professionals use the same. Some interesting reading from James Hoffman on global trends on extraction ratios: http://www.jimseven.com/2015/08/31/t...resso-in-2015/

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  • Chris
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    Originally posted by Yelta View Post
    Not so Chris, 21 grams of water = 21 milliliters, one milliliter of water has one gram of mass, allowing for density coffee will me marginally heavier, the difference however is insignificant.
    For our purposes grams and mls are interchangeable.
    True indeed but in essence it doesn't matter for this as its about simplifying to a ratio. 21g in 42g in 30secs out or 2/1 is so easy and gets to that ball park as the OP has found. It works with any basket size too. Is it a rule, no. Will it give you the perfect cup for you, maybe maybe not. For me and my blend 35g of coffee from my 21g basket suits my taste, 1.6/1 or so but any new blend or major change straight back to 2/1 in 30 and play from there. Trust me I hate rules!

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  • flynnaus
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    Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Alternately, you can't always get what you want, but if you try some times....
    Brought to you by the same mob who was singing about not getting any satisfaction.

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  • Javaphile
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    Welcome to the world of Zen and the Art of Coffee Brewing.


    Java "Maintain what?" phile

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