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  • #16
    Meh, my naked filter is easier to clean and I can fit taller cups under it. That's good enough for me

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    • #17
      Originally posted by jmadden91 View Post
      Meh, my naked filter is easier to clean
      the main reason i use it also....

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      • #18
        coffee in the nude

        Originally posted by allitnils View Post
        A shot pulled from a naked portafilter will taste, to my untrained palate (and I imagine to the majority of home users) exactly the same as the exact same shot pulled from a not naked portafilter.
        the change in taste therefore is not on the tool you use, but on what minor alterations you make as shown by the naked pf, for it to work in your advantage.
        Yes: the taste will be the same. And if you are pulling absolutely perfect shot after perfect shot, a naked portafilter will be purely a cosmetic addition.
        however, in my case it revealed that my shots are channeling. Addressing these issues MIGHT make a difference in taste. Not the filter itself.
        This is the main factor that to me could make a difference. If you do a terrible job of grind/dose/tamp you'll know about it when using a naked PF. You might choose not to drink that coffee and start again. Using a standard PF hides all but the worst problems so it's not so much that a naked PF improves anything it's just a possible early indicator of how good a coffee might be and reduces the likelihood of drinking an average coffee. The only other semi-related factor is that unless you pull the basket out of your standard PF every time to clean everything a naked PF could be cleaner.

        The other thing to consider is that there is usually a greater amount of metal in a standard PF. Most people would consider this a good thing, especially on a machine with good temp stability that is properly warmed up. That's why when I converted one of my PFs to be naked I removed as little material as possible. When it comes down to it I still think it's more of a training tool, or something that looks prettier or is easier to clean.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
          No- it does. Coffee oxidises and pulls at a different temp against the metal of the conventional p/f when compared to a naked- more exposure to oxygen..
          Now we are really splitting hairs (bigtime !!) Or is it Nit-picking (again). But then I should have expected it.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by deegee View Post
            Now we are really splitting hairs (bigtime !!) Or is it Nit-picking (again). But then I should have expected it.
            If you can't taste any difference, it's nothing to you anyway- so don't worry about it. Do whatever works for you.

            Hope your comment made you feel good.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
              If you can't taste any difference, it's nothing to you anyway- so don't worry about it. Do whatever works for you.
              agree completely with this comment.
              I'm guilty of many supersticious rituals in many aspects of life. Do they make a difference? Probably not, but I think they do. And at the end of the day, I'm starting each morning with a cup of coffee I enjoy.
              Not because I have a naked portafilter or because I spent over $2000 on a machine, but because I like the taste of coffee.
              And the extra 'quirks' that I perform, and the hairs that I might split.. well .. They add to the personal experience.
              whether they contribute to the taste or not .. it's the journey of getting the coffee in the cup.. (although if the end result is improved, then all the power to you!)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
                No- it does. Coffee oxidises and pulls at a different temp against the metal of the conventional p/f when compared to a naked- more exposure to oxygen.

                Also- many use a triple with a naked- with the resultant influence on body...
                Have you tried a naked PF with an Energy Polarizer yet Chris?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
                  No- it does. Coffee oxidises and pulls at a different temp against the metal of the conventional p/f when compared to a naked- more exposure to oxygen.

                  Also- many use a triple with a naked- with the resultant influence on body...
                  G'day Talk_Coffee

                  I have been using a naked P/F at home for years. As espresso our blind tasting revealed a noticeable difference (read improvement) in texture as well as taste. Adding milk - no difference in texture (not a surprise there). The taste was still better, although not as "hit you over the head" obvious.

                  I prefer to look at it from the other direction - can someone please explain how pushing your precious freshly extracting coffee through another process (i.e. sliding through the metal gaps of a "standard p/f") can possibly improve it? If it can't, then why do it?

                  Whether your reason explains it I do not know, however I can fully agree that it is better "in the cup" and AFAIAC that is all that matters.

                  To those who say that is only because you can see what the shot is doing - maybe, however even when we controlled for all other variables the naked still gave a better result unanimously during the blind tests.

                  Enjoy your cuppa - the rest is either striving for excellence or BS...


                  TampIt

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                    Have you tried a naked PF with an Energy Polarizer yet Chris?
                    Might've been new age snake oil - but he was still one helluva dri… barista though

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