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No- it does. Coffee oxidises and pulls at a different temp against the metal of the conventional p/f when compared to a naked- more exposure to oxygen.
Also- many use a triple with a naked- with the resultant influence on body...
G'day Talk_Coffee
I have been using a naked P/F at home for years. As espresso our blind tasting revealed a noticeable difference (read improvement) in texture as well as taste. Adding milk - no difference in texture (not a surprise there). The taste was still better, although not as "hit you over the head" obvious.
I prefer to look at it from the other direction - can someone please explain how pushing your precious freshly extracting coffee through another process (i.e. sliding through the metal gaps of a "standard p/f") can possibly improve it? If it can't, then why do it?
Whether your reason explains it I do not know, however I can fully agree that it is better "in the cup" and AFAIAC that is all that matters.
To those who say that is only because you can see what the shot is doing - maybe, however even when we controlled for all other variables the naked still gave a better result unanimously during the blind tests.
Enjoy your cuppa - the rest is either striving for excellence or BS...
No- it does. Coffee oxidises and pulls at a different temp against the metal of the conventional p/f when compared to a naked- more exposure to oxygen.
Also- many use a triple with a naked- with the resultant influence on body...
Have you tried a naked PF with an Energy Polarizer yet Chris?
If you can't taste any difference, it's nothing to you anyway- so don't worry about it. Do whatever works for you.
agree completely with this comment.
I'm guilty of many supersticious rituals in many aspects of life. Do they make a difference? Probably not, but I think they do. And at the end of the day, I'm starting each morning with a cup of coffee I enjoy.
Not because I have a naked portafilter or because I spent over $2000 on a machine, but because I like the taste of coffee.
And the extra 'quirks' that I perform, and the hairs that I might split.. well .. They add to the personal experience.
whether they contribute to the taste or not .. it's the journey of getting the coffee in the cup.. (although if the end result is improved, then all the power to you!)
No- it does. Coffee oxidises and pulls at a different temp against the metal of the conventional p/f when compared to a naked- more exposure to oxygen..
Now we are really splitting hairs (bigtime !!) Or is it Nit-picking (again). But then I should have expected it.
A shot pulled from a naked portafilter will taste, to my untrained palate (and I imagine to the majority of home users) exactly the same as the exact same shot pulled from a not naked portafilter.
the change in taste therefore is not on the tool you use, but on what minor alterations you make as shown by the naked pf, for it to work in your advantage.
Yes: the taste will be the same. And if you are pulling absolutely perfect shot after perfect shot, a naked portafilter will be purely a cosmetic addition.
however, in my case it revealed that my shots are channeling. Addressing these issues MIGHT make a difference in taste. Not the filter itself.
This is the main factor that to me could make a difference. If you do a terrible job of grind/dose/tamp you'll know about it when using a naked PF. You might choose not to drink that coffee and start again. Using a standard PF hides all but the worst problems so it's not so much that a naked PF improves anything it's just a possible early indicator of how good a coffee might be and reduces the likelihood of drinking an average coffee. The only other semi-related factor is that unless you pull the basket out of your standard PF every time to clean everything a naked PF could be cleaner.
The other thing to consider is that there is usually a greater amount of metal in a standard PF. Most people would consider this a good thing, especially on a machine with good temp stability that is properly warmed up. That's why when I converted one of my PFs to be naked I removed as little material as possible. When it comes down to it I still think it's more of a training tool, or something that looks prettier or is easier to clean.
No- it does. Coffee oxidises and pulls at a different temp against the metal of the conventional p/f when compared to a naked- more exposure to oxygen.
Also- many use a triple with a naked- with the resultant influence on body...
Wait, what?
The level of oxygen wouldn't change between a conventional and a naked portafilter.
Perhaps the level of water vapor due to the heat retained by the conventional portafilter vs naked might influence the extraction, and thus taste?
As a humble home user, my sample size of 2 coffees in the morning does no give me sufficient data to determine, considering how many variables i change from one coffee to the next.
No- it does. Coffee oxidises and pulls at a different temp against the metal of the conventional p/f when compared to a naked- more exposure to oxygen.
Also- many use a triple with a naked- with the resultant influence on body...
So never using a bottomless PF, is there really a noticeable difference in taste from a normal PF? If there is a difference is that only with espressos
I can't think of any reason why it should. If everything else is exactly the same the only difference is that the coffee is going directly into the cup from the basket, not being funneled through a spout or spouts. Unless of course you use e P/F and spout that is so dirty it affects the flavour. I sometimes think that there is a bit more crema with the naked, probably because some of it dissipates as it flows through a spout. However it all ends up in the cup, where it soon settles to much the same level anyway.
I agree with Yelta on this one - it's a handy tool for improving your grind/dose/tamp skills, and will lead to better shots, but if you really really want to believe it tastes different just because it came from a naked P/F, then it probably will.
I know a fellow who reckons that the beer always tastes better at a particular pub. That pub just happens to have topless barmaids, but he says that has nothing to do with it.
I think the debate of naked vs. .. Clothed (?) extractions will always be, for the most part, anecdotal.
In my opinion, it will depend on what you're comparing.
A shot pulled from a naked portafilter will taste, to my untrained palate (and I imagine to the majority of home users) exactly the same as the exact same shot pulled from a not naked portafilter.
the change in taste therefore is not on the tool you use, but on what minor alterations you make as shown by the naked pf, for it to work in your advantage.
Yes: the taste will be the same. And if you are pulling absolutely perfect shot after perfect shot, a naked portafilter will be purely a cosmetic addition.
however, in my case it revealed that my shots are channeling. Addressing these issues MIGHT make a difference in taste. Not the filter itself.
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