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  • #16
    Originally posted by Boggas View Post
    This is concerning for me. I am in Perth and have a 3 stage filtration system called "hi flow" it does have softening according to the tech sheet, however I haven't had my water tested?

    Where can I have my water tested? as I would hate to kill my machine prematurely due to poor water, as I thought I had taken the necessary precautions with filtration already.

    My kettle is six years old an has been using the filtered water since day 1 and there is no scale at all inside it. Is this indicative of good water or not really?
    You don't need to have it tested. Unlike other states it seems, the WA Water Corp does a great job of publishing water quality data. You can either grab their latest annual report or just call them up and ask for their latest test results. Give them your address and they'll pin point which reservoir you get your water from. Here is the latest annual report but I'm pretty sure they do quarterly testing also. You want Appendix C - table 3 for hardness testing. If your kettle is fine then I'm guessing your water isn't coming from Two Rocks or Yanchep. Those places are off the charts

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    • #17
      Yes mate, I know that. It's why we recommend that it's best to know your water prior to choosing the wrong solution for your circumstances.

      Incorrect filtration in many locations leeds to severe scaling. If our recommendations are taken as a generalisation, no harm will be done. On the other hand, if yours are, significant damage may occur. What I'm pretty sure is that my experience of thousands of machines including hundreds in Perth probably exceeds your experience of perhaps a handful in your house.

      I couldn't give a toss whether we sell filters or not and if you think sales of them pay the rent, dreamin'. I do however care when a client calls with a dead machine and the cause is poor water.

      Perth techs pick up the pieces for ill-informed espresso machine owners each day. I speak to them on a weekly basis. We recommend that owners ensure that they educate themselves to protect their machine. It saves us all the tedious work of removing scale.

      So, just in case you didn't understand it, drinking water filters are not suitable for espresso machines in areas where TH and/or TDS are high.

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      • #18
        Why are you banging on about this? Just in case you still don't get it, as per my original post, water filtration is a dodgy area and make sure you verify any claims.

        That was my ONLY recommendation. You should re-read my original post and stop putting words in other people's mouths.

        The only reason I mentioned my filter is because Doulton was the ONLY company I found that independently tests their products. If you know of any others please do enlighten all of us.

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        • #19
          Doulton make drinking water filters and yours is a drinking water filter. Pure and simple..

          Because you clearly still don't get it , without additional softening your suggestion is for the overwhelming majority of Australia's land mass unsuitable. Do you need to declare an interest in Douton?

          Now stop being a silly and go have a decaf. We have sufficient boolsheet here without you adding to it.
          Last edited by TC; 11 June 2016, 09:16 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by MrFreddofrog View Post
            You don't need to have it tested. Unlike other states it seems, the WA Water Corp does a great job of publishing water quality data. You can either grab their latest annual report or just call them up and ask for their latest test results. Give them your address and they'll pin point which reservoir you get your water from. Here is the latest annual report but I'm pretty sure they do quarterly testing also. You want Appendix C - table 3 for hardness testing. If your kettle is fine then I'm guessing your water isn't coming from Two Rocks or Yanchep. Those places are off the charts
            While this is a handy resource and it's great that they provide this information any plumber, water quality or water filtration expert worth their salt will tell you that it doesn't always equate to the same numbers at the tap in your house. To be absolutely sure you should get the water from your tap tested as it's quality will be specific to your house and may even be different to your neighbours. There's been a lot of debate about this already over the years on various forums and even most who don't believe things are as bad as what some people might make out still agree that the best approach is one of caution.

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            • #21
              Definitely 'something' in the water in WA.....

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Caps View Post
                Definitely 'something' in the water in WA.....
                Haha. You win the internets for today.

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                • #23
                  You can get water hardness test strips, would be worthwhile to confirm the hardness in the house.

                  Cheers

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                  • #24
                    WOW, you still don't get it. Let me try and explain it another way. My post was NEVER about me and my filter. It was about the lack of integrity in the water filtration business. Comment about this rather than playing keyboard warrior and looking for arguments where non exists.

                    EDIT: btw I have no interest in Doulton, I wish I did. They have been around since the 1840s, so getting close to 200 years. Obviously they must be doing something right.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by LeroyC View Post
                      While this is a handy resource and it's great that they provide this information any plumber, water quality or water filtration expert worth their salt will tell you that it doesn't always equate to the same numbers at the tap in your house. To be absolutely sure you should get the water from your tap tested as it's quality will be specific to your house and may even be different to your neighbours. There's been a lot of debate about this already over the years on various forums and even most who don't believe things are as bad as what some people might make out still agree that the best approach is one of caution.
                      True, this is a real debatable topic rather than Talk-Coffees searching for an argument where non exists. Is it better to get your own individual water tested which most people will only ever do once or to rely on the government body to test the source regularly. Any statistician will tell you one data point is worth sweet FA. Being a data based guy, I lean towards more data equalling more reliable though I can understand why people would still choose to measure their own water, be it only once.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MrFreddofrog View Post
                        Let me try and explain it another way...
                        To others- Yes, have your water tested so you can make the right choices.

                        FF. My post was to inform others that drinking water filters are often unsuitable for espresso machines in Australia. It's not about you and frankly, I couldn't give a hoot what filter you choose. Get over it.

                        Here's another Doulton for you.

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                        • #27
                          Wow, what round are we up to now?
                          I've lost count of the "bell-rings".

                          Just reconfirms as to why I don't post on this forum much.

                          Forum: A medium to discuss, debate and confer, not for abuse and denigration.

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                          • #28
                            Water filtration where plumb in isn't possible

                            Originally posted by MrFreddofrog View Post
                            True, this is a real debatable topic rather than Talk-Coffees searching for an argument where non exists. Is it better to get your own individual water tested which most people will only ever do once or to rely on the government body to test the source regularly. Any statistician will tell you one data point is worth sweet FA. Being a data based guy, I lean towards more data equalling more reliable though I can understand why people would still choose to measure their own water, be it only once.
                            Look I hear ya, don't get me wrong I'm a pragmatic kinda guy that likes numbers too so I fully understand that a larger collection of data is more attractive than a single source. But I work with fluids (admittedly it's a petroleum fuel rather than water) and I've seen the specs for our product change when it travels just a few meters. Water might be less volatile, but when it's traveling many km's through various kinds of pipes and valves it has ample opportunity to change along the way. I certainly wouldn't be making any assumptions and maybe getting both reports would give a clear picture.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
                              To others- Yes, have your water tested so you can make the right choices.

                              FF. My post was to inform others that drinking water filters are often unsuitable for espresso machines in Australia. It's not about you and frankly, I couldn't give a hoot what filter you choose. Get over it.

                              Here's another Doulton for you.

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                              So you agree that water filtration is a dodgy area, or at least you haven't disagreed and as they say silence is consensus. Finally, we have some common ground.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by mrfreddofrog View Post
                                so you agree that water filtration is a dodgy area, or at least you haven't disagreed and as they say silence is consensus. Finally, we have some common ground.
                                ff........ffs!!!

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